Emma Nicholson in the Times

My guess is that someone realised that the thread was starting to go quite badly for them, and perhaps that it was not a good look, professionally speaking, so they had a word with MN. I noticed that their particularly egregious post seems to have been removed at their own request.

sites like Mumsnet will no longer be able to be pressured into removing users’ posts by malicious complaints that say our content is psychologically harmful

The silencing and erasing of other people's experiences by demanding that a post is removed is equally psychologically harmful if not more so.

We're back into this lovely idea of a two tier society where some people matter and others.... really, really don't.

No. No thank you.

To be fair on MNHQ I think I ended with giving free directions to our second favourite lawyer but I was so cross with being told once again that women don't matter.

MIL was so happy with her sons there, she hadn't a clue who they were but she knew she loved them. It was the first time any of them had seen her in ages and they all knew it was close to the end - hence finally allowing a visit. And then they put a man in the next bay and this poor dying woman riddled with cancer and in pain was desperately trying to get away, and that's the last time DH saw her. Mixed sex bays don't work.

fuck me

for the women who have been censored for talking about their, and their mothers lives and feelings

oh the fucking irony

I found this interesting in Justine's thread about the online safety bill

sites like Mumsnet will no longer be able to be pressured into removing users’ posts by malicious complaints that say our content is psychologically harmful

I do wonder if that's a tactic that's used by some of the more controlling posters here

to you Bluer and Sophocles. I'm so sorry about your mothers.

We know already that some people are very keen to keep women quiet. We can't be allowed to talk about our feelings, thoughts, experiences or beliefs, because it would spoil things.

My comment about my mums dementia and the distress that would be caused to her by a lack of single sex spaces was also deleted.

I wonder what kind of person would report posts like those?

The thread was closed overnight, and has now been heavily redacted.

will no one think of the rapists and their tragic oppression when people fail to use their preferred pronouns?

get your priorities straight people

@ScreamingMeMe

Inevitably

The time for being willing to enable the playing with words that has led to six or seven such cases of women being harmed by it is over. It is not something anyone with a conscience can go on unquestioningly enabling.

BluerThanRobinsEggs

Why not ask them what you would need to change for it to remain? They do that sometimes. Just report the post and ask. It might need just a slight tweak and they will tell you where.

Inevitably

Did MNHQ put this one back up, or was it never actually taken down?

They deleted my comment about my dying MIL's distress at being in a mixed sex bay in hospital. So that was nice.

I wonder if the comment was meant to go on another thread

I was pretty about why this one in particular would come down

the unpleasant misogynist with seriously unpleasant views who visited this thread is utterly unapologetic about spreading their thoughts all over the board, and they're normally left to stand....

It was locked wasn’t it?

Did MNHQ put this one back up, or was it never actually taken down?

I mean, I can see why some might want it gone, so I am surprised to see it still/back here!

Yes Robin is all over these threads. I mistook Robin’s comments about ‘safeguarding’ being on this thread when they were on another. So many threads, so many upsetting comments.

@Tabasco007 - from Robin's posts on this and other threads, it's pretty clear that Robin is only interested in what they want and doesn't give a damn about how it impacts women.

[quote SamphiretheStickerist]**@RobinMoiraWhite If you want more infomration on the rape that didn't happen, was just "some woman" talking try this thread.

Have the honesty to read it, to digest the contents and be completely professional in your undertsanding of it!

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4507790-Hospital-told-police-patient-not-raped-because-attacker-transgender

TLDR: Woman in hopital sys she has been raped, calls the police; hosputal says no rape cpudl have happened as there are no males there; Ooops! You forgot the CCTV!; A year later, and the woman is now being believed!

Disgusting doesn't cover it![/quote]
Thanks for posting this, and atting, @RobinMoiraWhite I was thinking today about this thread and the one today, @RobinMoiraWhite comments please.... or do you only still care about men that say they are women, your mum must be so proud.

I have yet to hear one of our visitors on this board express even the slightest sympathy for women's experiences.

I can easily find lots of expressions of dismissal, derision, denial, minimising and victim blaming though.

It's abundant.

And what do we know from the Relationships board and psychologists like Lundy Bancroft who specialise in relationships gone horribly wrong?

That where there is a strong imbalance in power, expectation and entitlement, where there is no reciprocation, where things are demanded in service as the due of the other person but not the right or entitlement of the service provider?

It is not a healthy relationship, or one that a woman should stay in.

Women are ignored, told there are no problems and that we have to accommodate those males who wish to use our spaces.

When we explain exactly why - often feeling pushed into making personal disclosures that we really shouldn't need to spell out - we're accused of 'weaponising our trauma'.

And the thing is that some of the people who purport to be appealing to 'kindness' only wish kindness to go in one direction. By 'be kind' they mean 'acquiesce' and they have no intention of reciprocating.

There is no kindness, compassion, nor even willingness to listen shown. I have yet to hear one of our visitors on this board express even the slightest sympathy for women's experiences.

@RobinMoiraWhite.
I am a biological female.
When I was young I was sexually assaulted by a biological man.i.e. a person with a penis.
I know he had a penis due to what he did.
I now feel vulnerable being in situations with males.i.e people with a penis.
I don't want intimate medical procedures being carried out by people with a penis.

I would not want to be on a hospital ward and find the person in the next bed had a penis.
Or in a women's' refuge.
Or in fact any facility which advertises its services for women only.
I have no doubt that won't suit you, but that is how I FEEL.
Are my feelings on the matter so worthless to you that they can be dismissed?
Have you no idea that I suffered trauma by what happened to me years ago?
I'll tell you this, no biological woman would be so heartless.
Do I wish any trans person harm? No, I don't because I can understand feelings. But their feelings should not take anything away from my safety as a biological woman.
And I will also state that in my previous employment I met men who said they were women and there were a few who were quite clearly very, very disturbed. I would not have wanted any biological woman to be alone with them.