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Maya Forstater Tribunal March 2022- Thread 2

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Sophoclesthefox · 15/03/2022 17:03

Forgive the presumption, @Mforstater, but you’re probably busy in the pub right now, or passing on all of the fan mail to you legal team Grin so I’ve made a new thread to carry on the fascinating discussion.

Round up your cats, rabbits and weasels, and let’s go!

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From thread one, here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4498167-Maya-Forstater-hearing-starts-Monday

Hi all,

Thank you so much for all your support: emotional, intellectual, financial, spiritual(!) reading the Mumsnet feminism board is where this all started for me!

The case starts tomorrow.

It is all online. If you want to watch you need to email the tribunal for a log in to [email protected]

It kicks off at 10am - the first bit will be "admin" between the judges and the lawyers working out the timings, issues and any reporting restrictions hmm.

Once that is all sorted the judge and the panel will go away to read (probably for the rest of Monday and all of Tuesday)

I will most likely give evidence Wednesday and Thursday.

@tribunaltweets will be tweeting the whole thing (assuming they get permission from the judge)

Links to papers will go up throughout the case at www.hiyamaya.net.

Any other questions I am happy to answer them (apart from the ones where I have to say "that is for the tribunal to hear"...)

I have made a spectators guide with FAQs etc here

Lots of love

Maya

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PoshPyjamas · 17/03/2022 12:25

Oooh, Ben just accused MP of being texted about the case, but it was actually the judge’s phone that went off!

Cringe!

GinPalace2 · 17/03/2022 12:25

They have requested and been granted anonymity.

PatsArrow · 17/03/2022 12:25

TRA Twitter are claiming that Tribunal Tweets are biased and therefore not following them 🙄

nauticant · 17/03/2022 12:24

I do like the effectiveness of the BC question, which he's using all the way through: Can you tell us any other example when a decision was taken to [do what was done in the case of MF]?

I guess it's a useful question in Employment Tribunals where a key issue is discrimination.

PoshPyjamas · 17/03/2022 12:23

Does anyone know why some complainants aren’t to be named?

yourhairiswinterfire · 17/03/2022 12:23

Wasn't she handing out leaflets re her political views which her colleagues found offensive?

No, she wasn't. Read the live tweets and the witness statements.

bishophaha · 17/03/2022 12:23

BIWI no need to try and argue reality. It's all listed in these threads and in the tweets and in the linked documents in the OP and on Maya's website.

This is all they have.

SecondRow · 17/03/2022 12:21

Was she, Margarita? I expect the tribunal judges will have all the evidence in front of them.

Oh yes - the evidence that she left a single leaflet on a single desk she had been using on a single occasion - an admitted one-time violation of the clean desk policy. Off with her head!

bishophaha · 17/03/2022 12:21

Marg, that's been covered.
I imagine you'll get kicked off if you keep writing untrue things about an ongoing courtcase on here.

I don't know why you'd want to, but that's on you.
You do believe a lot of untrue things, and you seem ok with that, but to use this forum to publish them isn't really in the spirit of decent debate.

BIWI · 17/03/2022 12:21

From the submission I read (from Maya) she brought back one leaflet from a demonstration or meeting or protest (sorry can't remember which). ONE leaflet, which she offered to lend to people.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/03/2022 12:21

Similar to what a group of gender-criticals (including Marion Millar) did at an Edinburgh restaurant which the staff called the police on them to get them to leave?

You are obsessed with MM Grinthis is about Maya Forstater, please pay attention.

PoshPyjamas · 17/03/2022 12:20

I was thinking BC is like Erin Brockovich - where she starts listing telephone numbers and stuff!

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 17/03/2022 12:20

@MargaritaPie

Wasn't she handing out leaflets re her political views which her colleagues found offensive? Similar to what a group of gender-criticals (including Marion Millar) did at an Edinburgh restaurant which the staff called the police on them to get them to leave?
You've been corrected on your erroneous interpretation previously, MP -it's good form to read back and ascertain that rather than just repeat statements/questions.

My impression is that you don't trust or agree with what people here tell you. Your best possible source of information, should you wish to be appropriately informed, would be to consult the document bundles that contains witness statements and timelines from all the parties.

TensionWheelsCooIHeels · 17/03/2022 12:19

@MargaritaPie

Wasn't she handing out leaflets re her political views which her colleagues found offensive? Similar to what a group of gender-criticals (including Marion Millar) did at an Edinburgh restaurant which the staff called the police on them to get them to leave?
If you haven't bothered to listen to the evidence, please don't expect anyone to engage in clear misleading claims that the cross examination has shown wasn't the case.
nauticant · 17/03/2022 12:19

Wasn't she handing out leaflets re her political views which her colleagues found offensive?

This is untrue.

drwitch · 17/03/2022 12:19

And you would probably work out whether work in one area complemented or detracted from work in another. In most cases having an extra staff member who is self financed is beneficial providing their work is of good quality even though they might do stuff that is unrelated to other work you are doing

VaginaRegina · 17/03/2022 12:19

[quote drwitch]@PoshPyjamas no she had Anya Palmer (who was excellent, also made mincemeat of LE), the issue in the first one was that the judge had been benchbooked[/quote]
So hang on here just a moment. LE had ALREADY been examined and cross-examined in an earlier hearing, and he STILL came across as totally unprepared and unable to understand the issues? Sheeeeesh.

TensionWheelsCooIHeels · 17/03/2022 12:18

Ben Cooper's brain must be like the tardis. Looks from the outside average in size, but it's many magnitudes larger on the inside. He's about 3 steps ahead of MP and you can see he's anticipated MP claiming illicit tax flows weren't important - Ben listing several reports which says it was.

It's like he can see inside their souls 😬

MargaritaPie · 17/03/2022 12:16

Wasn't she handing out leaflets re her political views which her colleagues found offensive? Similar to what a group of gender-criticals (including Marion Millar) did at an Edinburgh restaurant which the staff called the police on them to get them to leave?

PoshPyjamas · 17/03/2022 12:15

They send you joining instructions as a pdf at the end of their reply. Open them, click on ‘To join by web browser use this link’ and add the pin no. on the same document. Then TURN YOUR MIC OFF AS SOON AS YOU GET IN!!!!

drwitch · 17/03/2022 12:13

So now they are arguing that she was let go because her work did not fit in. This is really not how these things work. - As a think tank you might have a general strategy that you might want to move in a particular direction but in the short term you would go where the money is

Rightsraptor · 17/03/2022 12:12

Hang on, @drwitch - you say Anya Palmer made mincemeat of Luke Easley (LE, yes?) the first time round and here he is, still presenting himself to be made mincemeat of a second time?

Will Luke never learn?

SecondRow · 17/03/2022 12:11

@CoupDeGrass

This is very interesting!

Is BC's line going to be that MP was reasonable, saw no big issue with Maya's tweets, and engaged constructively her, but then the decisions about Maya were (deliberately) taken without MP's involvement?

It does look like he was excluded for having been too tolerant of her and measured in his reactions!
Signalbox · 17/03/2022 12:09

@MrMrsJones

This looks fascinating

How do you join?

email [email protected] and ask for a spectator login for Forstater v CGD
tabbycatstripy · 17/03/2022 12:09

BC: Papers from board meeting in 2017. Says CGD will focus on... (includes IFF).

MP: That's what it says.

BC: Is it true?

MP: I wasn't there and can't tell you.

BC: For a number of weeks you were.

MP: I wasn't closely involved with the strategy.

BC: Papers for a 2018 board meeting: CGD current research and policy work = illicit financial flows and tax. Was it important in 2018?

MP: It was an area in 2018.

[BC continuing in same vein here.]

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