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Maya Forstater Tribunal March 2022- Thread 2

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Sophoclesthefox · 15/03/2022 17:03

Forgive the presumption, @Mforstater, but you’re probably busy in the pub right now, or passing on all of the fan mail to you legal team Grin so I’ve made a new thread to carry on the fascinating discussion.

Round up your cats, rabbits and weasels, and let’s go!

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From thread one, here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4498167-Maya-Forstater-hearing-starts-Monday

Hi all,

Thank you so much for all your support: emotional, intellectual, financial, spiritual(!) reading the Mumsnet feminism board is where this all started for me!

The case starts tomorrow.

It is all online. If you want to watch you need to email the tribunal for a log in to [email protected]

It kicks off at 10am - the first bit will be "admin" between the judges and the lawyers working out the timings, issues and any reporting restrictions hmm.

Once that is all sorted the judge and the panel will go away to read (probably for the rest of Monday and all of Tuesday)

I will most likely give evidence Wednesday and Thursday.

@tribunaltweets will be tweeting the whole thing (assuming they get permission from the judge)

Links to papers will go up throughout the case at www.hiyamaya.net.

Any other questions I am happy to answer them (apart from the ones where I have to say "that is for the tribunal to hear"...)

I have made a spectators guide with FAQs etc here

Lots of love

Maya

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tabbycatstripy · 16/03/2022 15:34

BC asking about the SPG, saying function was to advise and determine strategy for combined org.

MP: correct.

BC: In practice, there was always flexibility about where work was done.

MP: Yes, a certain flexibility. (Longer answer)

BC: From the perspective of a VF, in practical terms, the affiliation was with the overall org?

MP: Yes, for a VF that would be true.

BC moves on to culture in London.

tabbycatstripy · 16/03/2022 15:32

BC says what it meant in practice was President was boss of Europe CEO.

MP says there was some independence.

tabbycatstripy · 16/03/2022 15:32

BC asks whether principle that CGDE was integrated into CGD was always in place?

MP: There was coordination between the offices.

BC: Management was always integrated, yes?

MP: Yes. Increased integration was envisaged but not always in place.

BC trying to establish that CGDE was integrated with CGD.

tabbycatstripy · 16/03/2022 15:31

BC begins. Asks MP about points not in his witness statement.

Attendance at lunches. Not party to discussions that MF had with other senior staff, were you? (MP says no).

BC says MP didn't need to have a conversation with MF about that because expectations were understood?

MP: Correct

BC says MP's understanding is second hand or general and MP agrees.

BC asks whether in practice MF always attended or gave a reason.

MP said she was there regularly but not always and he doesn't know if she gave a reason.

BC: Discussion of programme structure (not clear on this).

CompleteGinasaur · 16/03/2022 15:30

I'm sorry, my fault and did not intend to derail.. Just had a little WTAF moment..

nauticant · 16/03/2022 15:30

It appears to relate to what was established practice in CGD about keeping former employers/consultants profiles on the website after they left.

Booboobadoo · 16/03/2022 15:29

Can't thank tabbycatstripy enough for this, plus all the explanations, comments, discussion. Makes me feel quite emotional!

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 16/03/2022 15:29

Thank you everyone who explained what a manel was - I'd not heard that term before!

tabbycatstripy · 16/03/2022 15:28

OD: Was the claimant required or obliged to attend Wed/Thursday lunches?

MP: Highly encouraged but not required.

OD: Did AG ever express to you that she thought the belief that sex is immutable and people can't change sex is a belief that was bigoted and transphobic?

MP: no

titchy · 16/03/2022 15:28

In other news Nazanin now landed in Oman GrinGrinGrin

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 16/03/2022 15:28

Sorry, @SpinningTheSeedsOfLove.

Yes. Thanks for the focus.

tabbycatstripy · 16/03/2022 15:27

OD asking about work programmes and what stages they were at when MP came to London (not sure when).

MP says things were a work in progress as the office was expanding.

OvaHere · 16/03/2022 15:27

Do we know what this additional evidence is?

tabbycatstripy · 16/03/2022 15:26

EJ says we should continue with MP's evidence and address question of additional evidence at the end.

VeryLongBeeeeep · 16/03/2022 15:26

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CompleteGinasaur · 16/03/2022 15:25

Thank you, SamphiretheStickerist. This is followable thanks to tabbycatstripy's brilliant transcription and organisation of a lot of material, but I thought I'd missed something.. though I couldn't see what possible relevance Webberley could be. Should have known it was a squirrel.

(And is that the first bad faith poster today, or have I missed one? If it is it must be a record, surely?)

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 16/03/2022 15:25
Pluvia · 16/03/2022 15:24

Is there skulduggery afoot?

SpinningTheSeedsOfLove · 16/03/2022 15:24

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tabbycatstripy · 16/03/2022 15:23

BC saying hearsay evidence from Ms Schulman shouldn't come in via MP.

BluerThanRobinsEggs · 16/03/2022 15:22

@OvaHere

I missed this major contradiction from earlier Hmm

twitter.com/soppystern/status/1504075363139432451

Forstater case today (paraphrasing):

Respondent: “Maya’s blog was lacking evidence”

Maya’s counsel: “Maya refers to the Karen White case…a real case that happened”

Respondent: “Maya shouldn’t have referred to the case. It’s better to talk about the issues in the abstract” …

"That would never happen"

"It did"

"Ssshhhhhhhh. Let's not talk about it."

tabbycatstripy · 16/03/2022 15:21

BC opposes letting OD ask MP supplementary questions as a way of bringing in new evidence, which is also opposed.

VeryLongBeeeeep · 16/03/2022 15:21

@CompleteGinasaur

What the ** has Helen Webberley got to do with this tribunal?
You may as well ask what clownfish have to do with humans. Never stops them, does it?

Look, a squirrel!

SamphiretheStickerist · 16/03/2022 15:21

@CompleteGinasaur

What the ** has Helen Webberley got to do with this tribunal?
Nothing at all. It's a redirect from an eternally irate, persistent derailer. Just smile Smile and move on!
tabbycatstripy · 16/03/2022 15:20

OD talking about the website. Wants to ask some supplementary questions of Mr Plant to prevent any timetable slippage. EJ says they need to know what BC thinks first.

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