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The Times is now turning off comments on all 'gender' articles

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MiladyBerserko · 13/03/2022 10:13

The Times continue to cover this issue but now turn off comments on all 'gender' related articles. They do not turn off reader comments on any other topic, except where there is an open legal issue.

I am beyond frustrated with this. The Guardian nailed their colours to the 'Transwomen are women' mast a long time ago and disallow comments.

Now The Times seemingly cannot / will not allow reader feedback.

What is it about this issue that makes organisations run scared?

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/03/2022 19:25

I think they should decide between allowing comments or not allowing comments across the entire paper. It's the in between that winds people up.

When all news was print media nobody could comment other than writing a letter to the paper or Points of View. So as a society we'd probably cope with that.

Censoring some but allowing others erodes trust more than not bothering with a BTL section at all.

I agree, and people commenting on other stories about GC articles might force a decision either way.

crispsarny · 13/03/2022 19:02

I think it’s deliberate, we’re being crowded out, to get a reaction, I’m left with an uncomfortable feeling about all this, seeing the anger rising in women, feeling my own anger rising, it feels like we’re being manipulated & played, pawns in a game. @lightand said follow the money, overseas money & interference?

This about The Telegraph is interesting, does nobody not think that a lot of this is going on with other newspapers/media, other topics/society issues, foreign powers trying to destabilise society
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MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/03/2022 17:51

The Mail for all its faults is publishing articles about this daily. And the comments are a mix of horrified and supportive.
Now the Guardian...... Grin

ChristinaXYZ · 13/03/2022 17:34

@malloo

I suspect it may be because of the large number of comments and the time commitment needed to moderate them.
The Telegraph manage to moderate the large number of comments on the stories they post on sex and gender. If you want to join the discussion it might be a good idea to change your subscription. The Times might think again then.
lightand · 13/03/2022 16:22

Always follow the money

lightand · 13/03/2022 16:21

I think they are a hidden force in the UK

lightand · 13/03/2022 16:21

Never underestimate the power of advertisers.

Lessyuck · 13/03/2022 16:20

I think we all need to write to them and complain.

It's quite a recent change. There really was a massive volume of comments on pretty much any gender related article. If everyone who commented on the times articles complained they may change it back.

I would say that the majority of comments could be construed as from a gender critical viewpoint.

butnobodytoldme · 13/03/2022 16:08

@flyingbuttress43

The Times is not the only paper willing to publish GC articles butnobodytoldme The Daily Telegraph has articles pretty much every day on the issue.
Yes, thank you. Sorry I should have added that. But that paper won't help us, I think, because few except Tories would read it.

For all their faults, (where do we start?) Tories can tell the difference between the two sexes, and are the one party in the country who have refrained from demanding as party policy that bearded rapists must be allowed in women-only previously 'safe' spaces

OvaHere · 13/03/2022 15:42

Lot's of articles and subjects are sensitive to someone. Not a good enough reason especially when many of the articles are actually about politics, policy and legislation.

If they want to turn of comments on a fluff lifestyle piece like the couple from yesterday I don't care too much about that. When it's about something an elected politician has said or the SNP forcing through unpopular legislation I very much mind.

NOTANUM · 13/03/2022 15:29

Long time Times subscriber and I’m very surprised about it. I just about understood it for yesterdays article about the couple (woman and trans woman) as it was a bit sensitive, particularly the part about no sex life, but it’s otherwise a new departure.

It’s a shame because they have allowed Janice Turner a voice. I’m going to write a complaint.

MidCenturyClegs · 13/03/2022 15:26

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MidCenturyClegs · 13/03/2022 15:22

A response that has been circulating regarding comments being switched off on women's rights articles was this:

The Times is now turning off comments on all 'gender' articles
VelvetChairGirl · 13/03/2022 15:17

@MiladyBerserko

The Times continue to cover this issue but now turn off comments on all 'gender' related articles. They do not turn off reader comments on any other topic, except where there is an open legal issue.

I am beyond frustrated with this. The Guardian nailed their colours to the 'Transwomen are women' mast a long time ago and disallow comments.

Now The Times seemingly cannot / will not allow reader feedback.

What is it about this issue that makes organisations run scared?

write to them and complain
flyingbuttress43 · 13/03/2022 15:11

The Times is not the only paper willing to publish GC articles butnobodytoldme
The Daily Telegraph has articles pretty much every day on the issue.

OvaHere · 13/03/2022 15:06

@Ereshkigalangcleg

They've been able to capture all our institutions via their secret backroom deals for so long that the emerging of democracy, accountability and the rights of others must be a shock for them. As the Times continues to report the issues freely, I suspect they've decided that sacrificing comments are worth allowing journalists to report all the continuing scandals / outrages around this issue.

Yes that seems quite a plausible explanation. Plus the American "social credit" style company they've outsourced to as pp have mentioned.

I think they should decide between allowing comments or not allowing comments across the entire paper. It's the in between that winds people up.

When all news was print media nobody could comment other than writing a letter to the paper or Points of View. So as a society we'd probably cope with that.

Censoring some but allowing others erodes trust more than not bothering with a BTL section at all.

OvaHere · 13/03/2022 15:01

@butnobodytoldme

What part of a newspaper DOES interest rich men?
Sport would be a good one. All types of men read those.

I guess the Money section too.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/03/2022 14:58

They've been able to capture all our institutions via their secret backroom deals for so long that the emerging of democracy, accountability and the rights of others must be a shock for them. As the Times continues to report the issues freely, I suspect they've decided that sacrificing comments are worth allowing journalists to report all the continuing scandals / outrages around this issue.

Yes that seems quite a plausible explanation. Plus the American "social credit" style company they've outsourced to as pp have mentioned.

butnobodytoldme · 13/03/2022 14:58

What part of a newspaper DOES interest rich men?

butnobodytoldme · 13/03/2022 14:56

[quote OvaHere]Perhaps we could use this thread to signpost each day which comment section is being used that day to discuss the articles where comments aren't allowed. Ridiculous I know. Grin

I've found some comments about the Starmer article on this piece about the cultural boycott of Russia.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/this-is-a-war-so-dont-dance-with-the-enemy-sjktzf9nl[/quote]
Sorry @OvaHere, cross posted. The crash test dummies article has GC comment, and the Ned Sheeran one is pretty solid GC, being next-one-along at the moment.
But I guess the comments on Mr Sheeran won't necessarily attract many politicians.

OvaHere · 13/03/2022 14:51

Also this one about Sunak and NI rise.
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sunak-must-be-flexible-above-all-and-put-off-the-ni-rise-797ghfbvn

butnobodytoldme · 13/03/2022 14:51

@BettyFilous

The silencing of this debate has disproportionate impact on women who are now prevented by engaging in the Times comments by their recent policy on closing comments on gender (sic) articles. Is this not indirect sex discrimination by a service provider and in breach of the equality act?
What an excellent point. Trouble is, Times is the only main paper willing to publish the GC articles, and they are doing it, steadily and frequently now.

It would be the worse for us if they choose between not allowing articles OR not allowing reader-responses.

Politicians of every party don't givadam about the public (proof abounds) So, how can we attempt to reach them?

I'm flailing here, but if there's anything they may look at, and may even be seduced into reading comments on, maybe that's where to aim a GC reader response?

OvaHere · 13/03/2022 14:49

Perhaps we could use this thread to signpost each day which comment section is being used that day to discuss the articles where comments aren't allowed. Ridiculous I know. Grin

I've found some comments about the Starmer article on this piece about the cultural boycott of Russia.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/this-is-a-war-so-dont-dance-with-the-enemy-sjktzf9nl

BettyFilous · 13/03/2022 14:21

from engaging

BettyFilous · 13/03/2022 14:19

The silencing of this debate has disproportionate impact on women who are now prevented by engaging in the Times comments by their recent policy on closing comments on gender (sic) articles. Is this not indirect sex discrimination by a service provider and in breach of the equality act?