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NHS booklet promotes prostitution and sex by deception

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IsitM · 13/03/2022 10:07

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10606811/NHS-funded-clinic-promoting-prostitution-way-trans-people-pay-treatment.html

I have seen this booklet, it is dreadful. The fact one of these new ‘gender clinics’ was promoting this is abhorrent. These clinics see teenagers!

Minister Mike Freer was full of praise recently for Dr Michael Brady; Brady is heavily involved with this clinic. Hard to believe he isn’t aware of this booklet.

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EdgeOfSeventeenAndThreeQuarter · 16/03/2022 12:46

Urgh. So very penis-orientated - the entire movement I mean.

I understand that all bodies are different, but my “front hole” isn’t my vagina. I have in my time however met several men who would claim a woman has only two holes.

The most memorable one has Amazingly Good Parent written all over him.

As for frontal sex… or as I like to term it “sex”, if any of you are in heterosexual relationships how about you text your partner right now to ask if he fancies frontal sex? I’d wager you’d get “eh?” As a response.

IsitM · 16/03/2022 12:31

Very close links between Brady and Mike Freer (GEO) too; Freer was singing Brady's praises at the recent Westminster Hall debate on GRA reform.

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CanIPleaseHaveOne · 16/03/2022 12:08

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Entitled Cruising: A Trans Guy’s Guide To The Gay Sex Scene, it advises readers to circumvent men-only restrictions at gay saunas by only performing sex acts ‘without others seeing your genitals’. Experts warned doing so would be committing the crime of sex by deception.

I'm missing something here, clearly. Trans men are men, right? Why would other men have a problem with seeing their genitals?

circumvent men-only restrictions at gay saunas by only performing sex acts

What????

Circumventing women only restrictions by changing laws by stealth.

Circumventing men only restrictions by.....giving blow jobs? Hmm

ResisterRex · 16/03/2022 09:30

There appear to be links between CliniQ and Brady?

www.kch.nhs.uk/news/public/news/view/28647 (2019)
Dr Michael Brady, Consultant in Sexual Health and HIV at King’s College Hospital and National Advisor for LGBT Health at NHS England said, “On Trans Visibility Day (31 Marchh_), I am very proud to announce the new service that we will deliver in partnership with cliniQ. Although the focus of our service will be on sexual health, we recognise that trans and non-binary people are disproportionally affected by health inequalities and a range of potential physical, psychological and social problems. As such we will adopt a holistic approach combining health and wellbeing services to help improve mental health, self-esteem and reducing isolation. A holistic approach to trans health also plays a key part in reducing vulnerability to HIV acquisition.”

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/03/15/fears-flawed-nhs-single-sex-wards-review-carried-trans-advocate/ (today)

The NHS review into single-sex wards is being carried out by a "trans advocate" who has said that rules that allow patients to self-identify their gender will not be changed, The Telegraph can reveal.

Dr Michael Brady, the national adviser for LGBT health at NHS England, has written to campaign groups telling them that there is “no plan to reduce existing rights of trans people”. Controversial charities Stonewall and Mermaids had contributed “very helpfully” to the process, Dr Brady told the Trans NHS Staff Network in emails seen by The Telegraph.

MoonOnASpoon · 15/03/2022 07:46

those who are entrenched in the ideological thinking fully believe they are on the right side of history and nothing one of the sacred group of activists and allies do could be wrong

I totally agree with this and I think what happens is that if you have doubts, you will probably self-censor immediately, thinking that makes you a prude, a bigot or an old fusty who doesn’t understand the young people of today and shouldn’t be involved in materials for them. It’s the idea that those affected should have a say, inflated to the point where no one else can have a say and concerns like “this is harmful so the NHS shouldn’t promote it” can be shouted down easily.

At best, anyone with concerns will have just backed away in order to keep their job.

MangyInseam · 14/03/2022 23:21

@KimikosNightmare

That's vile.

An aside but the booklet linked to this

www.prep.scot/

This lists groups who are more likely to be vulnerable to HIV.

2 points
Trans and non-binary people who have condomless penetrative anal or frontal sex may be at increased risk of HIV. PrEP can help to protect you from HIV

Er, isn't anyone who has casual unprotected sex at the same risk?

^Black African women and men
PrEP is used by people who are more at risk of getting HIV. This includes heterosexual men and women from Black African communities^

Eh ? With no explanation? Are Black African people genetically predisposed to be more likely to catch HIV? Isn't this connected to the machismo culture within some black African societies (especially South Africa) of men refusing to wear condoms?

Yeah, it sounds weird but I think this actually makes a bizarre kind of sense when you realize it is from the same people pushing critical theory type approaches in social movements.

They don't differentiate in the same way between causation and correlation - any disparity is seen as an example of systematic repression or discrimination.

It's similar thinking here - if you find that black Africans are statistically more likely to get HIV, there is no attempt to tease out what factors might lead to that, in part because there is this idea that it's stigmatizing or victim blaming.

KimikosNightmare · 14/03/2022 21:21

Yes it is. Just in order to uphold an ideology that benefits a small number of men

Sorry but I'm not going to let trans men off the hook. There are trans men pushing this just as hard.

Datun · 14/03/2022 20:08

@PonyPatter44

This is a hideous and dangerous piece of work. Its suggesting that trsns men put themselves into awful dangerous situations, but its also suggesting that gay men can be conned into sex. Its impressively hateful to everyone!
Yes it is. Just in order to uphold an ideology that benefits a small number of men.
PonyPatter44 · 14/03/2022 18:03

This is a hideous and dangerous piece of work. Its suggesting that trsns men put themselves into awful dangerous situations, but its also suggesting that gay men can be conned into sex. Its impressively hateful to everyone!

MoonOnASpoon · 14/03/2022 10:13

What the fucking fuck.

I'm really sick of this and angry today. How can they not see what they're doing, the links with females being degraded and used, the general misogyny of it all?

Prostitute your body. The one you hate because it's "wrong". Make sure you hide it. Then hand over your money that you've made to have body parts cut off, be made sexually functionless and infertile, and weakened so that you'll need medical treatment your whole life(which will probably be shortened). Congratulations, you are a wonderful supercool transman dude, let's celebrate!

Angry Angry Angry

Oh and men, actual men, have a front hole too. Keep trying.

nolongersurprised · 14/03/2022 10:01

It seems that transwomen have vaginas, even if just their “outie vaginas” (aka a penis), women are “bodies with vaginas” and transmen have “front holes”.

Helleofabore · 14/03/2022 09:09

nolongersurprised

So what you are saying is the whole reason people are insisting on us being vagina havers is false. We are ‘fronthole havers’ now?

Yeah, I can see why they wouldn’t want that known on any level. It shows up much about the movement that they would want to remain hidden.

D0lphine · 14/03/2022 09:07

"Front hole" is just so dehumanising...

nolongersurprised · 14/03/2022 08:55

Surely they’re male vulvas and therefore no man should have a problem with that. I mean TMAM

Actually using correct names for genitalia seems to be triggering for transmen. That seems to be why “vagina” is “front hole”, clitoris is a “T-dick” if on testosterone or alternatively a “natal dick”.

The denial of reality is next-level

DrBlackbird · 14/03/2022 08:25

those who are entrenched in the ideological thinking fully believe they are on the right side of history and nothing one of the sacred group of activists and allies do could be wrong

Absolutely this ^^

Proselytising on social media by ideological adherents and social media platforms happy for the clicks are one thing. But those that ought to have our children’s best interests in mind - educators and health professionals - are utterly failing. The more email pronouns I see, the less hopeful I feel for our young people’s future. It’s almost impossible now to say anything to counter this mindset. All they have to do is yell ‘bigot’ and that’s the end of the discussion.

Helleofabore · 14/03/2022 08:17

How did it get released? It would have taken someone with the zeal of an ex-poster who kept telling us they were a sex educator for young people to convince someone who had the remit to communicate health and safety to this group.

We saw in live demonstrations just how little those people that claim the job title sex educator actually knew about safeguarding and what was needed for our teens. And just how entrenched they were in this ideology complete to ‘no kink shaming’.

And I am sure some staff will have been horrified but know that if they said anything they would lose their jobs.

It doesn’t surprise me anymore to see this stuff comes out. The fear around speaking out about the ‘sacred’ group is huge.

And those who are entrenched in the ideological thinking fully believe they are on the right side of history and nothing one of the sacred group of activists and allies do could be wrong. Again, we see that all over FWR threads.

And how many have come to defend this action? None. They know, but if they ignore things like this they can still convince themselves there is nothing to see here.

LondonQueen · 14/03/2022 07:15

Shocking, how did that ever get released.

PearPickingPorky · 14/03/2022 06:34

" finger, fist, suck or fuck without showing your genitals"

Confused
KimikosNightmare · 13/03/2022 23:12

@DrBlackbird

all posed by the trans men

I don’t want to look at them again but it is absolutely clear that one is a biological male. For example, the one male holding the young trans male by the collar from behind and where the young trans man is kneeling in front of the same powerfully built - what seemed to me - clearly biological male. If that person is trans then no need to kneel at his crotch presumably given that they’re not lesbians.

I don't think there is a biological male.

I think that's the trans man on the extreme right of the group photo. The chin beard is the same on all photos. Presumably the implication is there is a penis there? And even if there wasn't, that position doesn't rule out oral sex on what they charmingly call a cock?

On another aside

Injecting: hormones or drugs
Some trans guys self-inject with hormones. Some of us inject drugs like
crystal meth, mephedrone or heroin. If you do inject, be sure not to share
needles or equipment with anyone.
Sharing injecting equipment (syringes spoons, needles, water) can increase
the risk for hep C and HIV. If you are snorting drugs, sharing straws or rolled
up banknotes is also a risk for hep B and hep C

That's all they have to say? Remember to use clean needles?

DrBlackbird · 13/03/2022 22:56

all posed by the trans men

I don’t want to look at them again but it is absolutely clear that one is a biological male. For example, the one male holding the young trans male by the collar from behind and where the young trans man is kneeling in front of the same powerfully built - what seemed to me - clearly biological male. If that person is trans then no need to kneel at his crotch presumably given that they’re not lesbians.

Doubletoilandtrouble · 13/03/2022 22:43

My elderly father-in-law is waiting for a knee operation but the waiting list is extremely long after Covid. I wonder if the NHS has advised him to prostitute himself to pay for it? Hmm

FusionChefGeoff · 13/03/2022 22:32

I really can't see anyone born and socialised as a woman wanting to get involved with the sex scene described in this booklet!

KimikosNightmare · 13/03/2022 22:31

@DrBlackbird

we are failing young girls badly. Catastrophically, even

That booklet is utterly utterly heartbreaking. That poor messed up young trans men with photos of them being subjected to what can only be called abuse by a man. Being treated like an animal. This is horrific that those photos are being used to promote anything.

I want to weep for all our young teens and people being subjected to a relentless onslaught of being told to hate the body they’re born with. And to despise those that continue to proselytise and promote the myth that it’s easy to change sex and doing so will solve all your issues.

The photos are awful but aren't they all posed by the trans men in the group photo at the top of the leaflet?
blackcathat · 13/03/2022 21:58

Awful awful advice. Thank goodness the alliance stuck up for these vulnerable people.
And with all that's gone on how is it that the NHS has magicked up a trans only clinic when people women are consistently being told that trans people women are the same sex as they say they are and by this they mean female . If that's the case then a trans clinic isn't necessary. Craziness all around.

DrBlackbird · 13/03/2022 21:33

we are failing young girls badly. Catastrophically, even

That booklet is utterly utterly heartbreaking. That poor messed up young trans men with photos of them being subjected to what can only be called abuse by a man. Being treated like an animal. This is horrific that those photos are being used to promote anything.

I want to weep for all our young teens and people being subjected to a relentless onslaught of being told to hate the body they’re born with. And to despise those that continue to proselytise and promote the myth that it’s easy to change sex and doing so will solve all your issues.