How will we ever get these disgraceful Tories out, if Starmer keeps spouting this nonsense?

AdamRyan, just so I'm clear - are you listing all of the things you think are worse than adult male being allowed to undress next to girls?

You are allowed to have your own priorities, I'm going to prioritize my daughters and elderly mothers dignity and safety.

I really dont like giving the grauniad the clicks. But anyway I read it.

Just because javid says care should begin at home doesn't mean it will.
Plenty of women or men wont, wont be able to, don't want to, dont live close enough to, dont want to give up their job and prospects and pension, see no reason to as that's for social services to organise. And multitudes of other reasons.

I thought you meant money, good money was being offered to anyone who decided to give up work or go part time to care for a relative, as that's not on offer then few people will take into account what he says.

Its just words, I can state for the records , I'm all for world peace, I just need at least half the world to agree with me and help me depose despots.
Ain't gonna happen, but man I sound lovely.

To be fair to Sajid Javid, it may be that his own home (immigrant family who were not rich at all) was one where it was taken for granted that family members would be cared for at home.

This may be unrealistic in modern times, and definitely depends on unpaid women, but family care would be nice in an ideal world.

I like that article:
A call for care “to begin at home” is really a call for women to go out to work all day, fitting in care on top. Or to quit their careers altogether and labour at home for free. Javid can implore for “care to begin at home” because wealthy men such as him will never have to do it.

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/07/javid-families-social-care-fixed-health-secretary-conference

What is this policy that "encourages" women to provide care?
Social care policy

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sajid-javid-health-nhs-family-b1932886.html

Everyone knows "family" means women in this context

Starmer is a Tory shill anyway who infiltrated the labour party to make it unelectable. first he targeted all the lefties and kicked them out, then the anti isreal jews, now women.

Well the Tories had to do something to stop Corbyn stunning election successes.

Of course Starmer had the perfect cover: working class, socialist upbringing; lifelong party member; pursuing a career away from politics for most of his life; decades fighting for social justice issues- cunning Tory bastard.

these people act very different on social media depending on what sex you are, thats why most of my accounts are generic anime/animal figures and matching names (altho I am not on twitter out of principle and refuse to give them the click thru traffic of pressing any twitter links, twitter needs to go)

We lefties at least have our principles and will not sell the poor out, everyone knew what the austerity scam was about, if you voted for us to return to the Victorian era you cant claim any moral high ground thats for sure.

Surprised even my not very GC twitter account (I have 2) is blocked by the person on page 1 who says he's leaving the greens. Must follow someone too TERFy (probably Green Feminists to be honest)
I agree nobody to vote for anymore and it's awful
I can't vote tory but all the other options refuse to get this right

To misquote a famous Tory...

"The Tory party is the worst party for women rights... except for all the others on the ballot".

It’s a huge problem for Labour

I’ve voted for them in the past but this issue is a line I won’t cross

There are other things I’d like to see changed too, if they could get closer to their landslide years

@AdamRyan
“Exactly. Maria Miller didn't consult any women's groups when she was equalities minister
This is from 2019
www.independent.co.uk/news/health/trans-rights-reform-lgbt-gender-recognition-conservatives-maria-miller-theresa-may-a8707691.html“

That was a narrow escape!

It is extraordinary how much happened under the radar from the ill-considered GRA 2004 (Tony Blair) on.

What is this policy that "encourages" women to provide care?

Starmer may be a plant as some think to make labour unelectable I have my doubts but either way he is not fit to govern the country when he ignores half the population.

In fact as the DPP he should have learned something about women, he should be strong enough in his position to state what a woman is, to get rid of anyone who gives no shits about women in his party, just generally to be a better quality of person than he is.
How can I elect him when he cant state absolutes without the threat of being kicked out. How can you run a country if your too scared to say the difficult stuff? Fucking wuss he is.

...the Tory party are self serving inepts mostly, but they are the party who base policy on pragmatic reality and not utopian ideology which is why they're more resistant to this.

It was the Tories who proposed self ID in the first place, and I think it was Penny Mordaunt who stated that 'trans women are women' in the HOC.

Don't waste my time with "what about the shit Tories ". I fucking know how shit they are. I lived under Thatcher ffs. I know about shit Tories.

As far as I am concerned TWAW seriously messes up the minds of children and young people. It as big a ‘spin’ and lie as anything could be. So is the messing around with words and meanings.

Boris is a serial shagger, potentially abusive, presides over a government that has effectively decriminalised rape and puts forward policy to "encourage" women to provide free child and elderly care.
I don't understand how women can bring themselves to overlook all that, just because the Conservatives say "woman = adult human female"

I don't think that's the discussion here, most would agree with all of that. I have never voted Tory but last time I couldn't vote Labour or lib dem either.

Labour's (lack of) policy on this is a symptom of a bigger problem that prevents a great many moderates from voting for them.

I work in education so will probably hold my nose because the Tories are an existential threat on that score too, but I'm sick of voting for the least awful option.

This is going to be asked of every single labour mouthpiece come the next election campaign. It's their brexit isn't it, they keep hoping it'll go away but it won't until they address it meaningfully.

Labour have always been a broad church and inevitably there are nutters of all stripes in there. I could live with that if free debate was tolerated but right now it isn't.

In Scotland we have Alba, they're openly GC but I don't support independence so I can't vote for them either.

What an almighty fucking horlicks.

Starmer is just a tidier version of Corbyn with this. This stupid shit makes them unelectable. The Tories will go full tilt on this and, despite their criminal incompetence, they will undermine all opposition parties sufficiently to get back in.
Just as I couldn't vote Labour with an apologist for antisemitism as leader, I can't vote for Labour with a Men's Rights apologist as leader. Voted labour since 1987

I wonder how many envelopes stuffed with cash are being bandied about and landing in peoples back pockets?

That's the only reason I can see for certain supposedly intelligent people making such ridiculous statements.

I am not aiming my comments at people posting on here.