I joined Twitter, and was shocked at how much Trans allies hate us.....

he went very quiet.

I am still pissed off about that blue tick prick saying about throwing a woman down the stairs and waiting for the bounce. there his tweet sat with impunity no matter how many reported it.

They're all woke in the streets, TERF in the sheets

mobile.twitter.com/thespiralquirk/status/1379120471430545411

The worst thing about guys like the one you described, OP, is the hypocrisy. You can bet your last quid that all the TWAW bollocks doesn't apply to them when they want to get laid. Same for gay guys - they don't really believe TMAM either. It's all performative, and a handy excuse for outright misogyny.

I stopped my active account on Twitter because It was making me constantly angry- at one point I got my blood pressure checked i was so worried at my symptoms- and because I misread someone's tweet about something really random and made a sarky comment which upset them. It really does bring out the absolute worst in people. Sticks and stones etc but I agree with LP that having a flood of angry or jeering words upended straight into your hand in a way that isn't replicated anywhere else is very distressing. I think the nearest would be a crowd all booing at once - yes I think that could be quite traumatic. One of the things I love about Julie Bindel is her one liners but I'm bloody glad they've never been aimed at me.

That said, LP doesn't have to state obvious nonsense, or publish it, or promote it on twitter.

I've been struck reading Maya Forstater's witness statement (elsewhere on here) that the people who policed her hardest and moved against her most forcefully at her employer were women. There are a huge number of bien pensant women who cannot even imagine someone other than the stereotypical 'right wing evangelical' or at most 'smug older mum off Mumsnet' thinking differently from them on this. They are progressive, kind, soft left and inclusive. Therefore so are all their collective thoughts. They have switched off or on whatever piece of your brain is required to ignore any of the 'hang on a minute' moments most of us have had to notice. It isn't just men who hate us; for lots of women, we are the old witches and inclusion never quite gets as far as us.

For me: "men fear women will laugh at them, women fear men will kill them."

The narcissistic rage comes from being laughed at and dismissed, more than anything else. It's all about control.

Every time I see a TRA foaming at the mouth/keyboard, I think of these two quotes:

Germaine Greer: “Women have very little idea of how much men hate them.”

Andrea Dworkin: “Many women, I think, resist feminism because it is an agony to be fully conscious of the brutal misogyny which permeates culture, society, and all personal relationships.”

I used to think these were extreme, exaggerated takes. Listen to a TRA for any length of time and I start to see what Dworkin & Greer were getting at.

Actual lol at being forced to accept TWAW being like accepting Jesus Christ as Lord & Saviour. That is exactly what it's like. The fundies I grew up with were just as overblown with insisting that if you didn't believe, you had to be evil and/or oppressing their belief.

This whole thread was a great read. twitter.com/pennyred/status/1501935178846912514?s=21

I especially enjoyed:

DPTSD

cPTSD. The C is for 'complex,' just for the record (as the D has been replicated across several posts).

Anyway, it's so frightening coming across it isn't it? I try to take it with a large pinch of salt in that most people posting aggressive things online are probably polite enough in their daily lives and many will be teenagers putting on a front for fun and finding their feet in an overwhelming world where they don't feel they have very much power. But it's still chilling and some days it really gets under my skin if I see too much of it. Twitter is a cesspit

They're very useful phrases! Nice warm hide under the duvet phrases.

Once you've thrown one of those at information or questions you don't like you can wholly avoid having to actually, you know, think or discuss or deal with hard information or uncomfortable feelings or engage your brain at all.

Everything is a ‘dogwhistle’ ‘Moral panic’ ‘transphobic’ ‘bigoted’ etc just more ways to shut women up beyond the usual ‘die TERF scum’

And “hate”. Disagreement with any aspect of trans activism or gender ideology is “hateful” or “hate speech”.

Everything is a "dogwhistle" it's the most overused term on the internet.

I always laugh at the word bigot and turn it back on them thus proving they dont even know what it means and are all just copying each other.

I replied to some idiot online a few months back who said "bigots should be lined up and shot"

cant recall exactly what I said something along the lines of that'll be a long job that will eventually wipe out all of humanity then.

he didnt get my point about his hypocrisy at all, clearly had no idea how moronic his statement was.

i honestly dont know why they still scream bigot endlessly, I see so many people pointing out their stupidity, but they carry on like robots

Everything is a ‘dogwhistle’ ‘Moral panic’ ‘transphobic’ ‘bigoted’ etc just more ways to shut women up beyond the usual ‘die TERF scum’

WE KNOW AND WE WILL KEEP SPEAKING UP NICE TRY THOUGH

Why have MPs decided that TRANSWOMEN with PENISES are women and have a right to women’s and girls’ spaces and can’t see that this is a safeguarding risk, when MEN with PENISES are a safeguarding risk and must therefore not have access?

Wigs, lipsticks and denim mini skirts do not have magical safeguarding powers.

perhaps you could send him an anonymous copy of Trans for christmas or birthday which ever comes first.

Someone told me saying she "has legitimate concerns" is a dogwhistle. Because apparently just like priests and Scout leaders, trans people are all LOVELY and you MUSTN'T QUESTION.

When she found all the trans porn and hook up sites/messages she dumped him
Sorry but this made me laugh, it's so obvious.

I have an anon account that is mainly to connect with other SEN parents but I have some teachers (BE KIND) and some LBGTSWETFH+ adoptive parents (OMG why wouldn't you affirm your child you evil parent) in my followers.
It is rather different to some corners of Twitter but it's still very captured.

Links (tip of iceberg obvs)

m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/high-risk-sex-offender-caught-wandering-northern-ireland-school-corridors-dressed-as-woman-jailed-38363173.html

www.womenarehuman.com/man-dressed-like-a-woman-repeatedly-recorded-women-in-mixed-sex-restrooms-richard-rodriguez/

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2088905/amp/Transsexual-posing-gynaecologist-treated-dozens-women-illegal-practice.html?__twitter_impression=true

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2019/03/16/transgender-woman-18-sexually-assaulted-girl-10-morrisons-toilet-8914577/amp/

www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/fife/832849/warning-as-transgender-sex-offender-placed-in-womens-hostel/

mirandayardley.com/en/jonathan-yaniv-is-a-predator/

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/nypost.com/2021/11/18/mom-of-loudon-county-rape-victim-says-family-was-silenced/amp/

www.outsmartmagazine.com/2019/03/houston-library-bans-drag-queen-with-criminal-record-from-reading-again-at-storytime/

www.womenarehuman.com/transgender-teen-charged-with-making-death-threats-against-two-individuals/

mobile.twitter.com/stellaomalley3/status/1309788076059832320?lang=en-GB

www.fort-russ.com/2019/07/uk-politician-who-pushed-for-gender-neutral-bathrooms-is-charged-with-9-counts-of-pedophile-child-sex-abuse/

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-46208724

womenarehuman.com/transgender-proponent-of-mixed-sex-showers-locker-rooms-raped-deaf-woman-johanna-wolf/

abc30.com/amp/fresno-homeless-poverello-house-sexual-harassment/3514544/

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-44877856

kpssinfo.org/case-studies/

www.newstatesman.com/politics/feminism/2018/01/marie-dean-story-shows-there-s-no-simple-answer-how-we-treat-transgender

www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/crime-courts/3614856/devious-aberdeen-sex-offender-replaced-toilets-sign-with-unisex-sticker-trick-women/

womanmeanssomething.com/targetstudy/

@EeeICouldRipATissue

As Penny took the side of a serial sex offender over the teenage girl the serial sex offender flashed a semi erect penis at (in fact blaming her for ‘staring at peoples genitals’) I don’t have a huge amount of sympathy for they/them and their alleged trauma as they/them don’t appear to consider anyone else’s trauma important - including women and girls who have been sexually assaulted.

They/them doubled down on this with their idiotic and entirely mendacious comments about TWs/rapists/single sex spaces when there is a LONG list of:

• Men who have used deception/disguise to predate/attack/rape/assault women and girls including dressing up as women/‘identifying’ as women

• TWs who predate/assault/rape/coerce/groom women and girls and use their access to female spaces to do so

• Male rapists, murderers and abusers who have suddenly identified as ‘trans’ to game the system and get access to vulnerable women in prison (and gone on to rape/assault them)

• Men attacking/assaulting/raping/exposing themselves/filming/photographing women and girls in mixed sex areas from toilets to changing rooms and showers, everywhere from supermarkets to spas, gyms/yoga centres/pools/leisure centres

• TWs photographing and videoing themselves masturbating in women’s toilets when women and children are around

• TRAs who campaign to remove single sex provision and safeguarding being revealed to be paedophiles/abusers

They/them lie all the time to suit themselves and continue to throw women and girls identities, rights and safety under a bus to validate TW.

They/them can go fuck they/themselves quite frankly. They/their book is embarrassingly shit and people are rightly saying so. Boo fucking hoo.

Reposting as apparently we’re not allowed to refer to sex offenders/rapists/abusers/paedophiles with penises as male - thanks Birthingpersonsnet

Is anyone else looking forward to studying this period with DC in the future: ‘Yes you really weren’t allowed to refer to people who rape women and girls with their penis as men, isn’t it insane?’

I can't remember exactly what "scandal" they were commenting on (KS cervix gate?) on radio 4 pm, possibly with Evan Davis last autumn, but the way they discussed the "heat of the debate" was to bring in a professor or academic who basically said twitter is the main problem.