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JK Rowling on Keir Starmer

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NancyDrawed · 12/03/2022 14:20

In the Daily Mail

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10605735/JK-Rowling-slams-Keir-Starmer-Labour-leader-says-trans-women-women.html

'This hill we're all supposed to be dying on is mighty crowded, isn't it? And we all seem very lively, too...'

Love her!

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lapsat · 13/03/2022 10:20

Starmer is clutching at political straws.

He's failed to make a dent against the tories in what should have been an easy field. So now I'm a rather desperate attempt to stay relevant and keep his job, he's joining in the hate on a woman that has outstripped, outwitted, outperformed all of those throwing stones at her.

JK is absolutely marvellous. So much chat about her career being over from people who wish it to be so, but still the films keep being made. The kids still keep on loving her books. Her castle is self made and secure. No wonder they hate her so. She's everything they wish they could be, she's showing them all and Starmer up. Really they should be looking at, admiring and learning from her success. Rather than trying and failing to diminish her.

It all looks very pathetic.

Waitwhat23 · 13/03/2022 10:13

Even my sister, who called me a terf and my views hateful, has gone very quiet on the subject and has admitted that she hadn't realised how bad the situation is.

I suspect that this is happening to a lot of people who have started to realise that it's not about 'be kind' at all and is just a full scale assault against women.

spacehardware · 13/03/2022 09:59

"He is supposed to be a sharp legal mind but he can't see the massive contradiction in his statement"

He's not the only QC with this problem ...

Pluvia · 13/03/2022 09:56

Oh, he can see the contradiction but he's wedded to being kind and not having the TRAs turn on him and the Labour Party. And he knows that one branch of Labour, Momentum (which is popular with young people), is totally wedded to TWAW and all the misogyny that goes with it. I think things may change after the Allison Bailey case, which will give everyone good reason to step away from Stonewall and condemn its behaviour with good reason.

Starmer's never going to be PM so why he can't just stand up for material reality I don't know. The fact that he doesn't think the offence felt by so many adult human females, including many in his own party who are lying low and hoping he'll deal with the problem, really matters doubles down on how offensive this is. I know round here the Labour and Lib Dem council candidates are being asked to define a woman at every other house they knock at. Word has got out, thanks to the much-hated Daily Mail, and everyone's beginning to sit up and take notice. Even my sister, who called me a terf and my views hateful, has gone very quiet on the subject and has admitted that she hadn't realised how bad the situation is.

IDidntFloatUpTheLaganInABubble · 13/03/2022 09:55

She's bloody fantastic and gives no fucks

DoubleYouOhEmAyEn · 13/03/2022 09:47

Starmer is such a disappointment . He is supposed to be a sharp legal mind but he can't see the massive contradiction in his statement. What on earth is wrong with trans women being trans women? It's reality. Men's spaces don't feel safe for som trans women, that's also reality. Why aren't we talking about reality?

Theeyeballsinthesky · 13/03/2022 09:32

I’m
Sure @BiggerBoat1 will be able to quote exactly what jkr has said that shows she is small minded and lacking in empathy because to make such a statement I’m sure Boat has read JKR essay in full right?

Unless Boat is just identifying as having knowledge of what JKR actually said

SamphiretheStickerist · 13/03/2022 09:29

@BiggerBoat1

She is small minded.

She may not understand trans women, but does that give her the right to be so completely lacking in empathy?

As someone above said, she is entitled to an opinion. As am I. I see nothing to admire in her.

Funny. As I catch up on yesterday I realised that even now, so many months on, there are so many people who just have not bothered to read what JKR actually wrote. Still relying on some of the weirdest misinformation - weird in that even the quotes used to discredit her give the lie to those doing the discrediting - showing themselves to be lacking in even rudimentary independent, critical thinking.

Why? Why do people simply choose to surrender their thinking?

PinaColada123456 · 13/03/2022 09:25

It's very clear @BiggerBoat1 hasn't a clue what JKR even said, has never read what she said, and is going off third hand 'sources'. If they read themselves, first hand, what she actually said, BiggerBoat1 wouldn't have made a fool of themselves with such ignorant and ill-informed comments. They are the small-minded ones. And so gullible and easily led.

FrancescaContini · 13/03/2022 09:19

@BiggerBoat1

Small minded?!?!?!?! Hmm

FrancescaContini · 13/03/2022 09:18

I also very much ❤️ JKR and am very very happy to continue buying her books for various family members.

Waitwhat23 · 13/03/2022 09:15

Just for anyone who hasn't seen JKR's sensible, measured essay - "J.K. Rowling Writes about Her Reasons for Speaking out on Sex and Gender Issues - J.K. Rowling" www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

Terfydactyl · 13/03/2022 09:14

@BiggerBoat1

She is small minded.

She may not understand trans women, but does that give her the right to be so completely lacking in empathy?

As someone above said, she is entitled to an opinion. As am I. I see nothing to admire in her.

Oh so that old

Be kind
Trope.

No thank you and ffs stop telling women to be kind, go tell the men.

PinaColada123456 · 13/03/2022 09:03

@BiggerBoat1

She is small minded.

She may not understand trans women, but does that give her the right to be so completely lacking in empathy?

As someone above said, she is entitled to an opinion. As am I. I see nothing to admire in her.

@BiggerBoat1 Do you even know what she said? She said trans people deserve protections and safe spaces of their own, and that women deserve protections and safe spaces of their own. How is that lacking in empathy? On the contrary, she has empathy for women, as well as trans people. You are the small minded person. You are ignorant and clearly jumped on the bandwagon of hating her without even reading what she ACTUALLY said. That makes you gullible, brainwashed, ignorant, small-minded and lacking any empathy. JKR is a wonderful woman who does so much for women here, in Afghanistan, and Ukraine. She has done more in her life for women and trans women than you will ever have in your ignorant, shallow and cold, cruel empathyless life. You should be ashamed of yourself!
stylehelpneeded · 13/03/2022 08:58

I refuse to vote labour until they start supporting biological women. There are conflicts and this needs to be addressed.

BraveBananaBadge · 13/03/2022 08:56

@HollowTalk

What's she's doing is standing in front of women who are more vulnerable so that the arrows hit her. She's absolutely amazing and I love her.
Love this, Hollow!

The only problem with that DM article as I see it is that headline which would read, to a critic, as if she's just kicking off at any mention of trans anything. If I didn't like her I'd just see that headline, have my biases confirmed and not bother reading any more, which doesn't help.

Her arguments have and always been pro-women, not anti-trans. This is a hugely important distinction and I just wish the media would recognise it as such.

Cailin66 · 13/03/2022 08:49

@BiggerBoat1

She's awful and needs to shut up. Plenty of people on here lapping up her bullshit though I see!
You don’t believe in the right to give opinions? Or you don’t want people to be allowed have opinions you disagree with?
Theunamedcat · 13/03/2022 08:42

And I won't be voting for starmer its ridiculous now but boris is literally killing people with his gas rises his attack on the poor and disabled im not sure how I'm going to live through next winter I'm currently on carers allowance to look after my son I may end up trying to go back to work (which ironically costs me more) because after school care has heating and food

Theunamedcat · 13/03/2022 08:38

One of our pta parents is a complete Potter head "of course she doesn't agree with her vile statements and will no longer buy new books and merchandise" apparently which is weird because as a family they are usually intelligent and well read plus the amount of Harry Potter merchandise she buys its mostly legit and not etsy at all you can tell she is a hypocrite who hasn't read a dam word of her essay she is just getting her lbtq+ credentials in she is very careful infront of me (my dd is very obviously lesbian and very much centre's the "T") which I find hilarious because I'm gender critical 🤣 my daughter and I do not discuss the subject at all!

Deliriumoftheendless · 13/03/2022 08:29

Sorry this is a bit off topic.

It was World Book Day recently- our school had a loose theme of Harry Potter for the dress code. We had the usual superhero outfits (in a deprived area parents will send their kid in what they have, not what they go and buy for the day) but the school was full of Harrys and Hermionies and Hogwarts staff . There was far more Potter outfits than anything else. So not many parents boycotting her work there. Also the borough is doing a reading thing where a Potter book is sent from school to school and the kids add drawings before passing it on.

Why choose such a “controversial” and “hated” “bigot”? Because IRL JK Rowling is loved and respected by so many. People agree with her or don’t care. They like the books/films/humanitarian work.

Twitter might hate her and it may be voguish to slate her but it’s a different situation in reality.

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 13/03/2022 08:20

[quote Igneococcus]Today's leading article, comments open but premoderated, I have one pending which I doubt will be allowed:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a49ac38a-a22d-11ec-a1de-983f3d5a1668?shareToken=088392cb01004895f6deb5dd2179baf4[/quote]
Thanks, I've put a comment on. Will see if it gets through.

haaaaaaalp · 13/03/2022 08:08

I wish I could be half as brave as she is.

Igneococcus · 13/03/2022 07:46

Today's leading article, comments open but premoderated, I have one pending which I doubt will be allowed:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a49ac38a-a22d-11ec-a1de-983f3d5a1668?shareToken=088392cb01004895f6deb5dd2179baf4

Feelingoktoday · 13/03/2022 07:23

I see comments have been turned off (again) on that times article.

HoliHormonalTigerlilly · 13/03/2022 06:45

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