The Cass Review- Interim Report

Thanks for all the expert commentary on here and useful links.

Thank you @Datun and others re what you’d like to happen in schools etc. I wasn’t sure if you just meant social transition.

FWIW I totally agree about wanting the promotion of gender ideology to be banned. As far as I’m concerned it already is but schools are ignoring the guidance/don’t understand the guidance.

I swing between wanting stuff banned altogether to wanting it ‘taught’ in a way that points out all of its horrible sexist, homophobic, racist, disablist messages. It’s probably age dependent. I’d like to see older secondary school students being encouraged to realise the full extent how harmful it is. And obviously younger children being taught that you can be anything if you’re a girl but you can’t be a boy.

Covered in the Times today, comments off.

Tavistock gender clinic not safe for children, report finds

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a607fa24-a09a-11ec-b38e-10b333e9179b?shareToken=57e922d8950bccf7adbfeaaa505b1403

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Datun

And yes. I cannot wait for this to be banned in schools. It will make all the difference.

Sorry I’m being lazy and not feeling well, what is ‘this’ that you cannot wait to be banned on schools? Thank you in advance.

As others have said, it's gender ideology in general.

It's promoted in schools as a rights and discrimination issue, not necessarily a medical one. (Until treatment is suggested, then suddenly it's a medical one.)

It's also used as a catch all for whatever is ailing the child. As the report points out, there are a multitude of comorbid issues that are never addressed, because the answer is always well you must be trans - and once that is asserted, clinicians are frightened to challenge it. Affirmation only.

Gender dysphoria is a real mental health issue. But it's incredibly rare. Children are coming out as trans left, right and centre. Many on the assumption that if they are masculine they must be male and if they are feminine they must be female.

Mermaids taught a gender spectrum in schools, using pictures. With Barbie at one end and GI Joe at the other. They invited children to pick the one that best suited their personality, and hey presto that is their gender identity.

Now lots of boys who like sparkles think they're a girl, and lots of girls who like combat trousers think they're boys.

On this very site, a few weeks ago a woman's seven-year-old child, came home having been told they could have operations when older to turn them into the opposite sex.

I realise this is not the most coherent post, but to be honest, every time I start writing about it, I'm so bloody flabbergasted that grown people could buy into this absolute bull, I lose the power of articulation.

Children are actually being given bloody drugs because an ideology is being taught that makes them think they're the wrong sex.

And I've yet to see a single bloody person promoting those drugs, who has the slightest concern about why they are needed in the first place.

Sorry, that was meant to be in response to the posts about Jolyon showing he doesn’t really understand any of this either, but the quote function didn’t work.

This is the bit that always boggles me. TRAs are adamant you can have “a female penis” and yet you can’t have a female Adam’s Apple or male breasts. Bizarre.

an excellent point, @ResisterRex.

Its refreshing.

I agree.

Another observation is that no one has made time to come over here and scold us. Or to play the man, not the ball and derail this thread. That is telling.

Resister absolutely brilliant to see the specific issues of detransitioners and the gap in services identified there, and the issue of people with SEND falling down the hole between childrens and adults services. Some really positive things being drawn out.

@EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn that's the sound of them shitting their collective selves.

Roll on the summer and the full report.

It seems that no one had advance sight of the report as many of the usual voices (SW, Mermaids, Gendered Intelligence) only did variations on "we are reading it".

Yes - they're all sounding very cautious at the moment.

Catching up, this all sounds v positive

Interesting reading. The report has a list of things they will look at next:

The important role of schools and the challenges they face in responding appropriately to gender-questioning children and young people.

The complex interaction between sexuality and gender identity, and societal responses to both; for example, we have heard from young lesbians who felt pressured to identify as transgender male, and conversely transgender males who felt pressured to come out as gay rather than transgender. We have also heard from adults who identified as transgender through childhood, and then reverted to their birth-registered gender in teen years.

The issues faced by detransitioners highlight the need for better services and pathways for this group, many of whom are living with irreversible effects of transition but for whom there is no clear access to services as they fall outside the responsibility of NHS gender identity services.

The age at which adult gender identity clinics can receive referrals, with concerns about the inclusion of 17-year olds. The service offer in adult services s perceived to be quite different from that of GIDS, and young people presenting later may therefore not be afforded the same level of therapeutic input under the adult service model. There is also concern about the impact on the young person of changing clinicians at a crucial point in their care. The movement of young people with special educational needs between children’s and adult services raises particular concerns.

It's good to see schools and detransistioners in this list.

It seems that no one had advance sight of the report as many of the usual voices (SW, Mermaids, Gendered Intelligence) only did variations on "we are reading it".

I have come across supposedly intelligent women in my organisation who object mildly to obligatory things like DBSs and child-protection training courses because they consider them to be offensive. "We all know each other and we're all nice people". They pass all these things because they are, indeed, 'nice people'. They do not seem to understand that that are promoting the dismantling of safeguarding. Unsurprisingly, these same women believe we must Be Kind and embrace TWAW.

Supposedly intelligent people.

Supposedly intelligent adults pushing their own personal political agenda in repeating this kind of thing are failing to take responsibility for their own part in pushing kids and worried parents to believe their narrative: that pbs are the only solution, that without free access they should and indeed must look for ways around responsible and ethical boundaries, and that nothing else could possibly help.

Like the endless unchallenged repetition of suicide myths and 'most vulnerable' lines being thrown out regularly now in parliament, completely unsubstantiated and no one ever saying 'hang on a minute, justify that. What's your source? What responsibility are you taking here when you say that? Let's talk about the many other responsibilities you're ignoring when you say that?'

Parents (like me) are enormously grateful

I agree, Hannah Barnes was very clear on PM. I came straight on here to read the thread I knew would be here. Thanks OP.

I’m a teacher. I have challenged the GIDS line and felt horribly isolated as a result. It’s been awful.

But I feel so, so sorry for the unhappy children caught up in this system. I can hardly believe that drugs are given to children to “help” them when in law they are not permitted to get a tattoo. I hope the full report by Cass will shed further light on how all teachers, doctors, social workers and care providers for young people should listen to them, not jump to medicalised pathways.

I want to shout, “I bloody told you so” at those who called me a bigot.

Hannah Barnes was clear and concise on PM. Evan sounded like he was holding his nose and waiting for her to finish before not asking her any questions.

I thought that too rogdmum. The diagnostic overshadowing is a great new term I have learned today.

Who knows quite what Dr Cass' team will end up recommending. The thing is now that it feels that they are actually starting from more of a balanced field to start with. And maybe there will be some answers studied now.

I wonder how many of them are on this board?

Thank you for looking after our children. I feel quite choked up by this report, and it's only the interim!

My mum asks for power tools for her birthday and my dad cooks dinner every night.

Fucksake, foxylocks:

' if you are desperate to get puberty blockers, and you will be because not having them is not neutral, you will get them and the only question is how. '

It will be a brave (foolhardy) clinician who carries on prescribing as before given the identified gaps in evidence.

I would imagine there are indemnity insurers panicking right now.