Greta Thunberg IWD tweet "people oppressed because of gender"

She supports what transgender people and their allies, including me, consider to be transgender rights, not what gender critical people think transgender rights are

What do you consider to be transgender rights?

Ive never had anyone explain

If my memory serves me well I recall you making a fgm thread all about trans women.

It was an eye opener.

[quote DadJoke]@samphretheSticerist

She supports what transgender people and their allies, including me, consider to be transgender rights, not what gender critical people think transgender rights are. .

I don't insist you discuss women's rights without including men. I can't answer why I do something that I don't do.[/quote]
You do. Constantly on here.

@samphretheSticerist

She supports what transgender people and their allies, including me, consider to be transgender rights, not what gender critical people think transgender rights are. .

I don't insist you discuss women's rights without including men. I can't answer why I do something that I don't do.

She does what she's told by global leaders. She's been exploited since childhood. Blame the people influencing her... the ones who put her on the global stage. You don't get there on your own you know.

Everybody supports trans rights. Just as everybody supports all other human rights. Well, if they are in their right minds they do.

But we aren't talking about that, are we?

And yet here you are, just like Greta yesterday, insisting that we cannot discusss women's rights without having to include men.

Why do you do that?

If you could bring yourself to answer a single question make it that one!

I'm glad to get confirmation that she supports transgender rights.

I remember the same happening with Lily Madigan. Madigan was giving all these speeches and every banal tweet feted etc and the minute any time anyone said anything critical people pointed to Madigan's youth as if "a child" was being bullied.

@Floisme That is something some of us have been saying here since Greta first appeared, isn't it?

We've had our doubts about how she is being used and supported, we have wondered how she will transition into a normal, every day adult life that requires she works for a living, whether or not she has support for that. Now she is an adult we wonder if t/when the apparent ongoing support will disppear and whether she is prepared for that.

And we have been called haters, all sorts of names. And here we still are. Allowing her agency, yet wondering how hard she will be let down by those around her, those who pander to her fame>

I've had some concerns all along about the ethics of promoting a child as your spokesperson and then hiding behind their youth when difficult questions are asked. I'm even less impressed to see the tactic still being used now that the child concerned is an adult.

As has been said. She could have made other choices. She chose to tweet on IWD. She got up that morning like any other 19 year old and dressed herself.

Why that hat?

Why those words?

You either agree she has agency or you don't. Stop infantilising her!

Yeah that's a good point actually.

Those who think the use of gender is innocent please explain why did she use 'people' rather than 'women'?

Old enough to address the UN and choose to display the trans sign on IWD I’m a tweet for the world to see - but not old enough to criticise?

Exactly. Stop babying her, she's 19. She can make whatever statement she likes on social media, and people can disagree and criticise it.

Old enough to address the UN and choose to display the trans sign on IWD I’m a tweet for the world to see - but not old enough to criticise? I’ve only read ‘shut up’ on here (I could be wrong but I’ve not seen threats of violence).

fuck me I'd be so ashamed if anyone I knew and loved spoke the way some of you are talking about a young woman. Ghouls.

She's got the trans symbol on her hat.

Extinction Rebellion and GT are full on TWAW and do not tolerate any dissenting opinion on that.

But I don't tell anyone to shut up as I fervently believe in freedom of speech, so it's not something I would say to her either.

It does help to know where she stands though.

(As for the comment that she is causing more harm to environmentalism than good, I agree. And trying to incite kids worldwide to despise their parents and grandparents as evil climate despoilers who ruined the planet for their kids may play well in the media but it's not a winning strategy.)

She used the words ‘people’ and ‘gender’ - not women and sex. It was international woman’s day (clue in the title).

Maybe she was just using the ‘current language’, or maybe she chose her words not to cause her to be condemned by those who choose to find the words ‘wrong’. If she is on social media then she will understand the issues.

It was one day in the year when women are supposed to be ‘allowed’ to celebrate and take stock, but no - we are people and a gender, Labour can’t quite put their finger on what we are, and police forces/magazines and charities have male bodied persons facing their campaigns in celebration of the day.

I think its a misunderstanding, she tends to talk about the world as a whole rather then piddly little regional things, the TRAs are not global yet, large amounts of the world dont buy into it. Afghanistan has just been taken over by taliban again, her english is not that good when you see her speaking and I know plenty of people who use sex and gender interchangeably and the two are getting more and more mixed up the number of application forms I have seen asking what is your gender male or female. I dont think she meant it as an insult.

No it means that I assume she considered her words and decided that ‘woman’ wasn’t the one she wanted to use. So yes, if you can’t even say the word woman on IWD then please don’t…

Does wearing a wee beanie with that weird sex icon on it - the one with the circle and 3 bits sticking out change the meaning of the word literally? Does it mean that she is not deserving of feminism and should shut her mouth on IWD?