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Man gives birth

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Lookingforatimeslip · 08/03/2022 09:34

Another “man” gives birth. Having seen a poster on Mumsnet talking about a book that used very ambiguous language around the sexes, it’s concerning that Ryan didn’t realise Ryan could get pregnant. What’s also very sad is when Ryan says “ Since coming out as Ryan, I've felt this freedom that I never felt as a girl, I do things for me instead of what society deems certain genders should do.”

Sorry about the Mirror link: www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/man-gives-birth-after-not-26406151

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DisappearingGirl · 09/03/2022 09:38

Interesting that it is the female man, not the male man, who has been left holding the baby.

Bollindger · 09/03/2022 09:13

I just read a statement that rings with me.
A woman is born not worn.
This woman wears a man suit, but mother nature had the last laugh.

Lookingforatimeslip · 09/03/2022 08:13

@RVN123, I feel the same. There seems a bit thing in the trans community where people fit into stereotypes. And I can’t understand why. Isn’t this what as a society we’re all trying to do is get rid of harmful stereotypes?

I feel for Ryan that Ryan believes that you’re restricted by your sex.

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RVN123 · 09/03/2022 07:09

It sometimes seems to me that people who identify as the other sex (ie trans) are some of the most sexist people there are. A lot of stories seem to involve them feeling restricted by their sex, or feeling that there are certain things they can't do because of their sex, so they decide to "change sex".
While GC people embrace that sex is not a barrier to the way you want to live your life.
Why couldn't this person do all the things they wanted to do WITHOUT "changing" sex? There seems to be some very strong beliefs in the trans community of what the sexes are supposed to be/doing/look like. I'm thinking of the trans men with the facial hair, the trans women with stereotypical "female" characteristics etc.
Why are we so stuck in perpetuating stereotypes? Maybe if they felt they could do anything as the sex they were born into (and remain) then we wouldn't have as many young people transitioning.
I don't think these people are 'rejecting' gender at all by becoming trans - I think they are, if anything, embracing it wholeheartedly and conforming to a lot of stereotypes and expectations.

Anyway, news is "woman gives birth which happens thousands of times a day across the world".
Big deal.

porschecayenne · 09/03/2022 06:20

Seriously where to even begin. Basically the story is biological woman has unprotected sex with biological man and gets pregnant.

Thank god this person didn't get misgendered by the midwives.... Cus you know that's always the hardest part of pregnancy 🙄🙄🙄

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 09/03/2022 01:44

Man gives birth to baby. That's nothing, I saw a racehorse shopping in Sainsbury's today. Well, a person who identifies as a racehorse, but it's the same thing, isn't it?

And I am probably the first talking cat who has taken A-levels. I want my headline in the news.

MangyInseam · 09/03/2022 00:53

@Clymene

Despite being younger and I'd guess less educated than Freddy McConnell, I note that Ryan is well aware that a double mastectomy means no more breastfeeding, unlike Freddy.

I wonder what impact the testosterone during the first trimester will have had on the foetus?

I'm not convinced that was quite what Freddy meant. I think maybe the idea was that Freddy felt the doctors should not have made the assumption that Freddy would not want to have kids and breastfeed. That was the "heteronormative" assumption that Freddy criticized. Instead, they should have encouraged Freddy to consider that becoming a father and breastfeeding was a possibility.

I am not sure what to make of the idea that men don't have babies is heteronormative, but that ship seems to have sailed I guess.

ChickenStripper · 09/03/2022 00:43

Typical "man" ?

"She's read all of the books and understands the way in which I'd like him to be brought up"

Why? What is he going to be doing?

Bollindger · 08/03/2022 22:50

It makes me laugh that the couple have to be having sex as a heterosexual couple to conceive, so that isn't any different than a normal male female relationship. People must be so confused in the bedroom. Then as per every other birth the female delivers a baby.

bishophaha · 08/03/2022 22:40

Yes and I should add that my 'Woman!' post is a quote from the same movie. Before anyone reports it for saying woman or man or woah!

BraveBananaBadge · 08/03/2022 21:50

The dialogue was from a 90s Mike Myers comedy, with the joke being the main character's mother read supermarket tabloids and considered the silly made up headlines serious news. Who's laughing now Confused

I'm just never going to read the term 'pregnant man' without hearing it in Brenda Fricker's huge Scottish brogue (as it was in the role).

bishophaha · 08/03/2022 21:28

It is confusing (and I was being serious, not sure why you think I wasn't, but I did make a humorous post earlier!) - I suspect because the 'weeks' of pregnancy are counted from approx 2 weeks before you could actually become pregnant - your last period. So "10 weeks pregnant" actually means you've been pregnant for around 8 weeks.
Yeah it's weird and confusing.

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FemaleAndLearning · 08/03/2022 19:53

Bishop and Brave I don't know if you are being serious or not!

I just managed to read the full article so Ryan was a week pregnant before starting testosterone? I find this whole thing very confusing.

BraveBananaBadge · 08/03/2022 17:22

Grin bishop!

bishophaha · 08/03/2022 17:07

How old was the partner/ boyfriend to know they were infertile too? He sounds abusive to me and just didn't want to wear a condom.

This is massively speculation. We don't know anything about the partner. I know several people (both sexes) who have been told as fairly young adults that they're unlikely to have children naturally.

FemaleAndLearning · 08/03/2022 17:04

How old was the partner/ boyfriend to know they were infertile too? He sounds abusive to me and just didn't want to wear a condom. Is Ryan vulnerable in other ways to believe this? I do so worry about those girls who are saying they are boys/men yet have other mental health issues or other things.

Enough4me · 08/03/2022 15:36

@viques you're right, in trying to un-ideologise the language I completely reversed that she is a woman. The language is warped and crazy!

Woman gives birth makes sense.

ReeseWitherfork · 08/03/2022 15:30

The fact they didn't know they could get pregnant, the fact there are now books which are ambiguous about which sex can get pregnant. Bloody hell. I fear for future generations, I really do.
I think the same with cervical and prostate cancers. How are we going to explain to future generations who has a cervix and should be going to cervical screening, and who has a prostate and should be checking it.

PeeAche · 08/03/2022 15:24

"Chest feeding"

I'm so done.

FourChimneys · 08/03/2022 15:22

Children are being taught complete and utter nonsense. I had a twelve year old tell me her friend was now a boy and at 18 was going to have his breasts surgically removed. This apparently will make him more of a boy. I asked if my friend who has had a double mastectomy due to cancer is now a man. That is different so I was told.

There are going to be some very mixed up young adults in a few years. I hope someone is budgeting for all the counselling they will need.

Beowulfa · 08/03/2022 15:07

Is The Young Ones now being viewed as a factual documentary rather than a comedy? With Rik as a noble hero, and the episode where Vyvyan got pregnant to avoid getting a job just like real life?

(PS Vyvyan gave birth to a massive fart).

Whatwouldscullydo · 08/03/2022 15:05

Why are drs agreeing to administer treatment when the patient is so unaware of the side effects /possibilities etc

If someone couldn't grasp you can get pregnant by having heterosexual sex then that needs addressing before anything else does.

If sex education is leving young adults so clueless we should not be allowing any one to lobby us into making it even more confusing by reniving sex relevance Hmm

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 08/03/2022 14:57

I don't know about sterile but finding it tricky to think how Ryan taking testosterone will benefit the unborn child.

KoalafiedAwesome · 08/03/2022 14:55

The shock he expressed was due to him getting pregnant, it was due to him getting pregnant whilst taking hormone treatment as he thought it would cause him to be infertile.

This just goes to show the shocking lack of education and explanations that go one when people are being prescribed hormone treatments.

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