Man gives birth

And we are back the the Emperor's new clothes. Wonder who will be the child that shouts "Your naked!"

All this relies on people knowing what is really meant by all these euphemisms. We're raising a generation in intentional ignorance as something jolly 'nice', and it's going to come back to bite us. Not least when an entire generation realises that they were lied to, because they are going to realise.

So 'living as a man' can include giving birth. Right oh.

🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️I’m worn out with this shit I really am.

With the Always advert exclaiming that 51% of young people being embarrassed about having a period I expect it's only going to get worse.

Thanks Old Crone. Seems that taking a declaration is meaningless.

Without reading the article, it is horrific that there is this sort of public discussion of people with apparent learning disabilities and/or autism, including intimate details of their private lives.
Someone out there is having a laugh while making huge piles of cash, hooking vulnerable children and young adults on lifelong medical treatments. Big Tobacco all over again, except this time, instead of waiting for the cancer to grow before cutting into flesh, people are cutting off their own healthy body parts.

It shouldn't be necessary to prosecute, just revoke the GRC in such circumstances.

But needless to say, they don't do that.

It's that quote in action 'transwomen make the news for winning sports, becoming politicians, etc. Transmen make the news for ... giving birth'

Also, I feel like Ryan's partner knew fine well he wasn't infertile but just wanted to have PiV without a condom.

Lookingforatimeslip
"There seems a bit thing in the trans community where people fit into stereotypes."
Another factor may be that gender stereotypes and categories are rigid and some people (who think in rigid ways) may be more drawn to them, and less able to be comfortable whey ambiguity. Then if those people didn't feel that they fit their category they feel really unsettled by that and may seek a trans identity to resolve that discomfort. Which would tie in with the higher incidence of autism in trans identified people.

When you get a GRC don't you make a declaration that you are 'living in the acquired gender' (whatever that means in reality) but if you say you are a man and have a baby surely you have broken your legal declaration?

But I think the main thing with Freddy is avoiding taking responsibility. Even for the normal things we all experience like looking back and saying - oh, maybe I would have been better off to do that differently, I'll remember that next time.

Instead someone else is to blame.

really hope that child is actually a boy, and not biologically female with male genitals (which can be a consequence of the mother taking testosterone during pregnancy)

Ryan would probably see no issue in that, sadly. Poor kid also appears to have been named after an alcoholic drink. FFS

I really hope that child is actually a boy, and not biologically female with male genitals (which can be a consequence of the mother taking testosterone during pregnancy).

I find it curious that Ryan has known they are a boy/man since the age of 9 but had PIV sex with a partner. I suppose they see themselves as a man with a vagina. I would have thought receiving a penis into one’s vagina might play havoc with the dysphoria (as would subsequently birthing a baby from said vagina) but what do I know?

Also, laughed out loud at the Axe Murderer Woah man quote

I find it concerning that no one told Ryan they could still get pregnant.

Taking all these hormones that your body is not built to cope with so young probably does affect fertility/development of the foetus which depends on hormone changes, but I doubt there are many studies.

Puberty blockers don't make you infertile in and of themselves. If you take them early enough they will prevent your natural development towards fertility. Then if you go on to take cross sex hormones without a break you will not be able to produce your natural ova or sperm (depending on your sex) as your body won't have developed to do so.

It's all a bit cutted up pear.

Lookingforatimeslip
There seems a bit thing in the trans community where people fit into stereotypes.

My hypothesis for why this happens is that it becomes self-perpetuating within a social group. So one trans person says that they know they must be a woman because their gender identity is female and they know this because they want to do feminine things. Everyone else in the social group accepts this because to do otherwise would be offensive. But accepting that gender identity is associated with stereotypes for that person requires re-evaluation of your own self perception. If you don't have gender typical preferences, does that mean you are non-binary? Maybe trans yourself?

Voicing these questions is likely to get the answer that yes, you are trans. There is also a certain status associated with being trans and queer rather than being "cishet," which I think might incentivise acceptance of a gender identity / stereotypes worldview, rather than deciding to ditch the belief system wholesale.

I'm not convinced that was quite what Freddy meant. I think maybe the idea was that Freddy felt the doctors should not have made the assumption that Freddy would not want to have kids and breastfeed. That was the "heteronormative" assumption that Freddy criticized. Instead, they should have encouraged Freddy to consider that becoming a father and breastfeeding was a possibility.

But doesn't this go against the transactivist line that they should be in total control of what is done to their bodies with no gatekeeping?

Keira Bell was criticised by them because as a teenager she felt that she didn't receive enough counselling to help her to understand why she had decided she was transgender. They said that she made her decision and it was totally her own fault for doing things she now regrets.

How can they argue that a teenager knew exactly what she was doing and it wasn't the doctors' fault that she did things she now regrets, but a 28-year-old didn't have enough understanding to make a decision without help from doctors?

@RVN123 so brilliantly written! That's exactly how I feel, but am very clumsy when trying to put it into words. I hate gender stereotypes, and thought we were heading away from them until recently.

My cousin was called a tomboy growing up. The things she liked were typically 'boys' things. I even hate writing that - I don't think there should be 'boys' things and 'girls' things. But at least she wasn't told she must've been born in the wrong body, which is what I fear is happening to kids today. It's like society were finally starting to accept that toys/clothes/hobbies/whatever could be liked by anyone of either sex, and now all of a sudden if a little boy wants to play with dolls he must be confused and born in the wrong body and must be put on puberty blockers immediately! 🙄

It's so dangerous and damaging and all of this changing language is just going confuse the future generations - as evidenced by the article in the OP. How can we teach young people about safe sex etc if they don't even know which sex can get pregnant?