Penny logic

The transcript shows how much she likes playing the victim - yet again, as per what JK Rowling said, she can dish it out but she can't take it.

Oh yes, Laurie Penny feel entitled to say what she likes about other people, aim whatever criticism she can at them but oh dear me can't possibly be on the receiving end of the same treatment. Nothing more than a privileged hypocrite.

The transcript shows how much she likes playing the victim - yet again, as per what JK Rowling said, she can dish it out but she can't take it. I don't know why we have so many posh faux feminists like this being given such a platform - the likes of her and Jameela Jamil (I at least agree with Jameela on some things). I mean, they're hardly the voice of the woman in the street and yet they both I think like to present themselves as though they're the everywoman. They've led such privileged lives, sheltered in many ways, why do they take it upon themselves to speak for women without ever checking their own privilege? Jameela's another one who's got a new identity every week, and yes, she is a woman of colour, but she's an extremely pretty and rich one who went to a posh school and has only ever had a successful career in the media from a young age. I'm not denying the importance of race, but she's hardly from the ghetto. Again, I think it's very deeply ingrained that they see themselves as superior, a completely different breed to 'ordinary' women. They play at left wing politics, but they clearly couldn't give a shit about women less fortunate than themselves when it comes down to it, they're just goldfishing the words. I think they're given a tokenistic platform as 'the face' of feminism, simply because they're young and relatively attractive - or at least when their careers started, they're both getting on for forty now. I'm not saying that to be bitchy or that's the way it should be, but it's the way the media works, and they must be aware of that. What next Jameela, when men stop finding your talk of feminism cute anymore because they're no longer interested in looking down your top? When they start getting annoyed at all the shit you talk because they've noticed you're getting jowls and are no longer distracted by staring at your tits?

I don't think LP is opting out of womanhood, I think she's trying to opt out of privilege. The hierarchies created by critical theory places white 'cis' women very near the top. Her intersectionalism will tell her that she's the oppressor simply by dint of her privilege (which, given her background, is enormous). She can't bear to think of her self as the baddie, hence non-binary, the easiest, laziest, 'trans' identity of all.

ScreamingMeMe Oh, that's glorious! Her face is a picture.

And as for the "TRA? Who, me?" tweet, wasn't it Penny who was lickspittle-cheerleading at Grace Lavery awhile back, full of admiration for Lavery's vaunted debate prowess (amongst other things..) and gratitude that Lavery "was on our side"?

I think what's abundantly clear is that Penny finds the harsh realities of life very difficult, same with a lot of these women who want to give out rights away. They bury their heads in the sand and resort to magical thinking. Unfortunately, no, you can't opt out of the dangers and prejudices females face by simply claiming you're 'non-binary', you're always going to have to deal with it. Yes, abusive men do lie and pretend they're something they're not to gain access to vulnerable women, and trying to blur gender boundaries and thus give these abusive men unlimited access to potential victims will not magically change that, we will always have to deal with it. Yes, when you publish a book on subject matter you're not qualified to talk about and it is heavily biased and lacking in evidence of thorough research, people will criticise it. No, a little girl being flashed at by a male (however he identifies) in a changing room is not being rude for staring, she is a victim of a sex crime. These people are so fragile they can't handle the idea that there are bad people out there, that it's not all glitter and rainbows. We're not dealing with rationality, it's all a protective mechanism. I don't want this to sound in any way anti-autistic, I'm far from it and have loved ones who are on the spectrum, but the same kind of black and white thinking can be a protective mechanism for extreme sensitivity, a way of trying to feel in control of a world that seems overwhelming. I don't know Penny's diagnoses, but I think that it's no coincidence that so many people who are claiming a trans status are autistic. I know this has already been observed and discussed a lot on here, but I feel it's not talked about enough in the press.

I only recently found out that LP used to go out with "Grace" Lavery, which explains a lot.

Speaking of which, transcript of a debate between Pennywise and David Starkey in 2012: www.discovermagazine.com/mind/starkey-vs-penny-transcript

I hold no brief to defend DS but fuck me, Penny is schooled.

I don't understand why Penny was so surprised and traumatised by those (admittedly savage) book reviews. Surely if you choose such a provocative topic and treat it in such a wantonly exhibitionistic manner you must expect everything you get..?

A real "public spasm of self-delusion", in fact.

A couple of quality tweets.

Ugh, please excuse typos and how badly written that was.

I think what's going on with the female TRA is that they think they're better than women who are poor, who are in domestic violence situations, who are mothers - all these situations we're talking about where women's single sex spaces and female specific language are being erased. Female TRAs just can't relate to poor or vulnerable women, and don't want to. To do so would remind them of their own vulnerability against male violence, a female's comparative physical disadvantage, and the vulnerable positions we often find ourselves in. Often not having children, they can't relate to mothers, think they are a different type of human being to themselves: inferiors for sacrificing their time and bodies to another human being, all the work involved that doesn't feed the ego - why would anyone want to do that? Perhaps there are some mummy issues thrown in to boot. It's a common thing, to want to blame and distance yourself from victims and the vulnerable, because to have empathy is to imagine how their fate could be yours, and Penny's ego is far to big for that.
Females like Penny claim to be non-binary and align themselves with men's wishes over women's, because they think it will protect them, that they can opt out of potential victim status this way. I actually feel a lot of compassion for that, we all have to deal with these issues as women, but Penny's way of dealing with this is dysfunctional, will not ultimately serve her well and will potentially contribute to further damage to the rights of vulnerable women in the process. I don't know about CPTSD, but they sound like they do have a lot of trauma that they're dealing with, but they haven't yet scratched the surface or found a functional way of dealing with it.

Penny is so lacking in intelligence and basic common sense, the WiSpa incident completely blows her stupid statement out of the water.

Secondly, she is too thick to realise that predators won't have to change gender just say they have to be allowed unlimited access to female only single sex spaces because and I'll say it slowly so you understand LP: No-one. Is. Allowed. To. Ask. If. They. Have. A. GRC. It has to be taken on trust and again LP, what kind of person do you think will take advantage of that?

Thirdly, LP, heard of the opportunity bit when criminal acts are committed? Such a good idea to give predators more opportunities to predate, lots more potential victims, lots more actual victims, how fabulous.

I remember ages ago how we were all discussing how this might end, and we discussed the prominent figures who were absolutely immersed in this - penny, and others like Owen Jones, jolyon Maughan, jameela jamil etc, the ones that absolutely would not give an inch when it came to women's rights and were vicious in their attacks.

We said something like there would be complete denial, claims that fheir words were misrepresented: no, that wasn't what they REALLY meant, they NEVER thought we were bigots, fascist etc, SOME people were saying that and they were just reporting, they didn't WANT same sex spaces spaces to be removed.... They didn't WANT erasure of gendered language...

And is this the start of it?

..... and, I think my favourite....

I have to admit, Laurie penny was quite astonishing on twitter today including (for those who cannot see twitter)....

If there are no longer single sex spaces men / boys wishing to harm women / girls won’t need to fill out a form to get entry to those spaces.

[quote wateronthebrain]Article on this by Julie Bindel: thecritic.co.uk/the-penny-drops/[/quote]
That's great!

Article on this by Julie Bindel: thecritic.co.uk/the-penny-drops/

twitter.com/PennyRed/status/1501333692186300422?t=R7O4EfT3jPcr3iKrkxRVvg&s=19

Isn't it funny how, when push comes to shove, and dispite being told how trsnsphobic it is to talk about biological reality in this way, when in a hurry the brain reverts to what it knows.... Its only women that give birth, and only women who need access to abortion rights.

Even the most die hard trans right activists know this. How dare they try and press their language on us when they cannot even commit to it themselves.

Oh dear Because trans people are just people like any other and in the case of so called TW, they are men.

This is the biological reality. The biological reality of men continues to inform our equality act and our behaviour, i.e. being wary of male strangers in our private spaces. So why does that change now? If men are all of a sudden such a low risk why not make every private space including prisons unisex?

When did all trans people become angels?!