Penny logic

If LP wants to be free from criticism, LP needs to stop creating anything that is open to criticism, or not read reviews.

It isn't up to those providing critical analysis to bias themselves to provide only positive comments as, for now, we still have the freedom to be honest in reviews.

If that's a serious enquiry, no, I'm not LP. I am a longstanding serial MN NCer as MNHQ would verify.

Like other people on this thread, I am used to reviewing people's publications and I adhere to Nolan principles when doing that.

I will praise the good work of someone if I think it's coherent, verifiable, and has a good chance to be replicated, irrespective of what I think of them or an organisation. I will criticise the work of people or organisations that I admire if I think it's flawed, no matter how well intentioned it is. I acknowledge that I've lost friends for this.

No pronoun abuse from ze, I assure they

Ok fuck, sorry, I meant, "Are you they Had"

Are you her, Had ?

All of this is more than a number of people in the public eye and less than others.

(I genuinely didn't intend the above to read like Dame Edna.)

Haha, I agree. I was thinking 'Jill' from Nighty Night, she's got the same kind of DARVO thing going on.

The thing is, I don't even know why we are are talking about her.

Same reason shows like The Office or whatever work - there something really compelling about watching someone with a really horrible personality and zero self-awareness combined with huge self-regard.

Especially when the script writers ensure they repeatedly get into trouble because of it and never learn anything.

Well to answer my own question I googled. Didn't find any answers but I did find these beauties.

www.spiked-online.com/2022/03/09/dont-dish-it-out-if-you-cant-take-it/

www.spectator.co.uk/article/sorry-laurie-penny-but-the-patriarchy-likes-short-hair

Maybe we should stop. Fish and barrels comes to mind

The thing is, I don't even know why we are are talking about her. Her writing is mince, she is the ultimate Aunt Lydia and she whines when she gets pushback from kicking other women. Genuinely, what has she done?

What had where David Starkey pays tax to do with the discussion in hand? LP was on a mission to accuse David Starkey of everything she could, she was not debating the subject it's what those like her always do, get personal, throw all manner of unrelated stuff into the discussion in order to obfuscate and slur the other person. LP does this constantly she did it over the WiSpa incident, she does it to JKR and when it backfires or people respond in kind it's all Wa, wa, wa, everyone is mean to me and she throws a pity party for herself.

Penny is an awful, manipulative cry bully, whatever I might think of Starkey.

His body language was certainly aggressive, but what he said was spot on. I think he was genuinely enraged by the baseless accusation that he didn't pay his taxes by Penny who was trying to slander him rather than engage with his arguments. He knew full well what a privileged background she's from, what a poor background he's from, and to boot that she's the one who paints herself as being for the people, all the while trying to charge exorbitant fees to speak for a non-profit charitable organisation. I'd be enraged too, tbh, and whilst I think Starkey would have made his point better if he'd kept his cool, standing over someone and pointing your finger isn't a crime.

^

I remember the Starkey thing when it happened - at the time, LP posted on twitter how shaken she was after he'd "attacked" her. She took a while to correct people who thought she'd meant physically attacked....

Soz, David Starkey.

I can't open that Laurie Penny/David Starkie link but, if it's the clip I've seen before then whatever I may think of LP (and believe me, little or none of that is good) nothing excuses David Starkie's behaviour. I think the way he stands over her, jabbing his finger in her face is intended to intimidate. I'm not surprised she was shaken up.

On the subject of her spat with David Starkey, I find him obnoxious and aggressive BUT Laurie showed that she has neither the tools nor intelligence to debate him or anyone, her go to was to attack him and name call him and then, as is her wont, to weep and wail when he used the same tactic as her as an audience member quite rightly pointed out.

Debate is about the issue Laurie, I would have thought your excellent education would have taught you that.

Her non-binary awareness had been there all along, waiting for a particular publishing deal to permit it to emerge from its cocoon.

As an aside, I would say that I don't know anyone who has CPTSD who would say anything remotely along the lines of "I felt so ill that I thought I had Covid but, nope, just CPTSD" as she tweeted, nor anyone who would recover from an episode of being triggered in a couple of days.

Nor who would repeatedly put themselves out there to be re-triggered immediately afterwards.

But it's possible that Penny is blurring the boundaries or expanding the bandwidth of CPTSD in some way...

Notably also Laurie Penny seems to think it perfectly acceptable for male rapists and sex offenders to be given access to ever more potential victims and women who have already suffered sexual violence whose PTSD will be triggered by this just so long as said males rapist declares they are a woman. But no-one must criticise her book because of her trauma, boo fucking hoo.

[quote Enough4me]@wateronthebrain do you mean take a open-minded approach that some people do not rate your work and disagree with you, reflect on their comments and move forwards?

It just seems too 'real world' for someone living in an ideological bubble, which is ultimately like living in a glass house. LP can throw out, but not receive unless it's fluffy and kind.[/quote]
Well, quite. I'm not even saying she has to change her position, just to be prepared to defend it, rather than doing the adult equivalent of running off crying and telling everyone they're big meanies for calling her out. It's embarrassing that such fragile, sheltered, ludicrous women are calling themselves feminists, frankly. Also, you'd think that when feminists with the credentials of Julie Bindel and JK Rowling call you out, you'd at the very least consider what they have to say, rather than decide they've suddenly become 'fascists'. I mean, how many charitable foundations for women has Penny set up? How much money has she donated to their causes? How many women has she helped to get out of prison?

@wateronthebrain do you mean take a open-minded approach that some people do not rate your work and disagree with you, reflect on their comments and move forwards?

It just seems too 'real world' for someone living in an ideological bubble, which is ultimately like living in a glass house. LP can throw out, but not receive unless it's fluffy and kind.

Did LP ever worry about the people being called fascists? Perhaps reading her words might have triggered CPTSD from, you know, actual real life fascism?

I think what Penny is really triggered by is being forced to take a long hard look at herself and the world, which she normally shields herself from by obscuring it with identities and ideologies that are not based in reality. I imagine it is pretty jarring.

Or even better, and here's a really novel idea, listen to what those reviews are saying and honestly and thoroughly reassess your position.