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DomesticatedZombie · 2022-03-04T18:11:26+00:00

in 5 minutes! A reminder! Feminists, please attend - and please vote the motion to 'purge' women who've signed the women's rights declaration Out of Order.

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IamGreen · 07/03/2022 12:52

It's for both discussing policy and party organisation.

IamGreen · 07/03/2022 12:50

Executive members speaking against this and the majority of members there voting against it was just an example of how the party lets women down.

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DomesticatedZombie · 07/03/2022 12:49

Thanks, makes more sense. So - can this not be just asked for? Does it actually have to be done at conference? Is this really the only way to raise the issue of an internal investigation - because if it is then that itself a serious issue. Many motions didn't even get discussed because time ran out.

My impression was that conference was for discussing & voting on party policy, not internal issues like this. But perhaps I've got it all upside down - that would explain a lot.

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IamGreen · 07/03/2022 12:48

A request from an individual can be ignored. An instruction from conference cannot.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/03/2022 12:45

Ah, thanks for clarifying.

IamGreen · 07/03/2022 12:45

@DomesticatedZombie

International? How come?

I wasn't really clear on the background of this motion at all. Surely someone can ask for an internal investigation at any point, does it really need to be done at a conference?

Typo. Internal

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DomesticatedZombie · 07/03/2022 12:43

It could be that the GP needs to look at its processes around this issue. I recall it was found they failed to properly investigate Challenor.

www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/green-party-aimee-david-challenor-15677155

But then perhaps this needs to be put forward in a more robust way than an (apparently) hasty emergency motion at the last 15 minutes of a conference?

I don't know enough about internal policies and processes to understand how this might be best approached.

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AlisonDonut · 07/03/2022 12:23

@IamGreen

The emergency motion was for an international investigation into how the party may have failed to protect victims of sexual harassment. I'm disappointed it wasn't heard and very upset that it was women who spoke against it.

I mean, if they have to ASK...

Surely it would be completely obvious to have investigations about failures to protect victims of sexual harassment?

Wouldn't it?

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DomesticatedZombie · 07/03/2022 12:23

International? How come?

I wasn't really clear on the background of this motion at all. Surely someone can ask for an internal investigation at any point, does it really need to be done at a conference?

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IamGreen · 07/03/2022 12:07

The emergency motion was for an international investigation into how the party may have failed to protect victims of sexual harassment. I'm disappointed it wasn't heard and very upset that it was women who spoke against it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/03/2022 11:41

Did they have an emergency motion or anything in the conference about the Challenor safeguarding debacle? Genuine question, if anyone knows.

Rightsraptor · 07/03/2022 11:10

The person concerned presumably chose to leave their camera on. They had Tweeted previously a long thread about their claim so had made it public themselves, possibly compromising legal action. I think the motion was essentially about the way the GP has handled it and we do know here how they have reacted before to more serious incidents, like the Challenors. I'm sure their processes do need looking at but not convinced this was the way to do it.

Anyway, GP conference is behind us, the fall-out will be fun to watch but I will leave this here for the present.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/03/2022 09:56

I agree it doesn't sound particularly appropriate for the complainant to be on camera to be able to see them while it was discussed. Distressing for them too, I imagine. And if the matter hasn't yet been properly investigated by police (as people are saying on Twitter) it shouldn't be discussed in public, surely?

Livelifeinthebuslane · 07/03/2022 09:29

That sounds really inappropriate to deal with it in that that way. A whole conference discussing an what was effectively a sexual harassment case?

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DomesticatedZombie · 07/03/2022 08:49

I had had no idea that the person who had their camera on and left abruptly was involved in the issue being discussed.

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Rightsraptor · 07/03/2022 08:21

Good morning all. I don't know if the flounce is available online as I was watching it on the actual conference.

During the debate the complainant in the sexual harassment case that this hinged on was sitting, head in hands etc and looking very distressed. Google helped me fill in the gaps. I make no comment one way or the other about the substance of their case, but it did strike me that it was a good opportunity to try to sway the vote. I think the Chair should have been really strict about everyone not speaking turning off cameras unless speaking, with no exceptions (apart from admins). Yet one more unimpressive thing about the Green Party.

Rhannion · 06/03/2022 23:12

I love to see the flouncing and floundering too please.

StillWeRise · 06/03/2022 23:08

I'm not on twitter can anyone direct me to the performative flouncing?

StillWeRise · 06/03/2022 23:07

I've just realised what it reminded me of-
students union
Which is such a shame - I know there GP councillors doing a great job, and god knows we need an environmental party right now
But it's crazy that 400-500 people can direct policy for a national party. Surely other national parties aren't like that.

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DomesticatedZombie · 06/03/2022 22:19

Well spotted, yes. A performance flounce. Very dramatic.

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Rightsraptor · 06/03/2022 22:14

That final flounce was obviously performative. We were asked only to have cameras on if we were speaking, which that person wasn't, but they clearly wanted us to see their reactions throughout and then the flounce when things didn't go their way.

I understood little of the procedures but am glad my votes might help get the GP back on track. Great to hear TRAs are resigning! I wonder who they'll attempt to take over next?

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DomesticatedZombie · 06/03/2022 19:17

That's interesting, 2Rebecca. I note one person flounced off at the end of the last plenary. It was also interesting to get a glimpse of how these things (conferences) work - I guess lots of people who are involved and often passionate on issues getting together is often going to be quite intense. But some are noticeably more comfortable with debate and disagreement than others.

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2Rebecca · 06/03/2022 18:26

GPC22

2Rebecca · 06/03/2022 18:25

TRAs are resigning looking at the GPD22 hashtag on twitter. I think green feminists should hang on in there. Much more positive for women than the SGP which is handmaiden only now