Kemi Badenoch nails it

Hearing Kemi talk about this without ideological zealotry makes all those men sound unhinged.

It's also reassuring to know that there are finally responsible voices being heard in government about this. For so long it's been the men like Cashman, Blunt, Lammy and Starmer with free rein to display their contempt for women and child safeguarding (along with the Nandys and Nokes of the world) and it's so important to finally hear voices of intelligence and reason now being heard.

It is brilliant stuff.

And Kemi did it in a way that was completely professional. Whereas Nokes was very aggressive from the start. But it was mastery the way Kemi restarted the conversation after Nokes thought she had the ‘gotcha’ or all ‘gotchas’. And then pointed out just how biased that committee was. And yes, Kemi even reminded them that detransitioners are being ignored.

Kemi Badenoch was all class compared to the blunt tool that was Caroline Nokes. Who seems to portrayed a determined lack of knowledge that I cannot believe is anything but contrived. Seeing her in action against her own party colleague, and a minister too, was just so enlightening. She knows what she is doing. I cannot believe that anyone in Nokes’ position would be that unintelligent or uninformed after running that committee all this time.

[quote DomesticatedZombie]Holy moly. Nokes talks over Badenoch, and then when Badenoch responds in kind sharply tells her 'don't talk over me'. What an arrogant woman.

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Thank you for all the links. Having listened to the whole thing, what struck me is that Kemi Badenoch completely gets it. In addition to Nokes outing herself as the privileged bully that she is, the whole of Badenoch's response highlights Nokes's role in empowering the trans bullies via this committee. Not hearing "both sides", ignoring detransitioners, Keira etc and failing to call out all those openly abusing them. Brilliant stuff.

I wonder what they all think about the original legislation and whether or not they feel they've been had.

I wondered this when the EHRC said they thought the balance was just about right in relation to Scotland bringing in self ID. I think it's finally dawned on them how bad this is for women. Writing a falsehood into law was never going to end well. Now It's impossible to reverse it so keeping things as they are is the best they can achieve.

I'm seeing a real determination to roll back the years. What with the EHRC talking about all the protected characteristics and striking a balance, and Liz Truss recommending disengagement from Stonewall, and now Kemi understanding that the reason for making gender reassignment a protected characteristic was not so it could be exploited by misogynists, fetishists and predators.

I wonder what they all think about the original legislation and whether or not they feel they've been had.

Kemi was very clever to ask that question. Well done her.

unprepared for anything except grudge fuelled point scoring, and she can't even do that properly

I realise that in my typing whilst happy dancing earlier, I failed to thank @IsitM for the link - thank you for making my day.

I also missed Nokes' "Don't talk over me" command, issued whilst talking over KB. It so very much smacks of the lady of the manor talking down to the hired help. I have to wonder if she would have spoken to a man in this way. She is very bad at her job, unprepared for anything except grudge fuelled point scoring, and she can't even do that properly.

Completely agree, Helle. I don't actually know what she would be suited to - that towering arrogance would be a major drawback in most roles.

If I were watching Nokes' performance, I would think that she is actually not suited to be a chair of any committee. She simply cannot maintain a professional countenance and seems to think that she is superior to the people she is 'interviewing'.

Wow well done to Kemi for keeping her cool- I was quite surprised how unpleasant and hostile Caroline was to her given they’re in the same party.

I wonder if when Kemi was talking about supporting and defending people on both sides of the argument (and had mentioned cross party) she was thinking about Rosie Duffield and the lack of support she’s received from within her own party?

If she wants to have a constructive debate she could maybe not butt in and talk over people while accusing others of doing so.

Holy moly. Nokes talks over Badenoch, and then when Badenoch responds in kind sharply tells her 'don't talk over me'. What an arrogant woman.

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Ooh, is that JDP asking if we actually need the GRA at all anymore? Good on her.

I think that video show true colours of the people involved.

I'm watching the clip of Nokes grilling Badenoch now. Seems awfy hostile for a discussion. You'd think two members of the same govt/party would be a bit more collegial.

Jackie Doyle Price asking KB whether they should just ditch the GRA altogether. Classic!

Noakes is so condescending!

Thanks for the link @IsitM, I see what you mean. I particularly enjoyed Kemi Badenoch pointing out to Caroline Noakes the difference in the way people who gave evidence were treated.

That link, Thank you so much for posting it, is really enlightening to watch. The conversation after the attempt at a 'gotcha' was quite remarkable.

And I was yelling at the screen when Nokes asked 'how can these discussions actually be had'.

Fuck me! She cannot admit that her style is one of the most toxic I have seen! She is simply so deeply entrenched in believing she is on the ''right side' that she cannot accept that her contribution.

By the time, Kemi finished saying well accept that the discussion has to actually be allowed to happen and that some well known people seem to get more time and recognition than the other side, Nokes could barely move her lips.

In fact, the way Nokes tried to frame that question and then close the meeting on that 'quote' came across as very snarky and smug. Really smug!

That Kemi Badenoch then interrupted and went back. It is interesting to to see the push back and the blunt honesty that she expressed that she felt that it was deliberate ploy.

Nokes is really slippery.