Will female swimmers ever win Olympic Gold again? Thomas aims for top…

Just wait until the Russians and Chinese catch on to this easy way of winning medals.
They are notoriously competitive at the olympics.

I'm actually planning on going to Paris 2024 (if possible to get tickets) as I missed out on London 2012. I'd be up for wearing some sort of protest t-shirt if there are trans women competing female categories

I don't want it to get as far as Thomas and others taking the Olympic Podium as women. I know we have this idea that people being outraged will stop it but almost everyone is already outraged about this cheating loophole in sports. It's already the majority view.

It's possible it will just cement and normalise it to the point where all countries start doing it to remain competitive and it gets shrugged away in a sort of 'this is how it is now' because time and money has been invested and results achieved that benefit certain people/orgs/countries.

No, the goal posts would be moved again and the argument would transform to “well they haven’t won every medal so there’s no problem.”

Plus the inevitable side dish of "transwomen have been winning medals since xxxx, why are you complaining now?"

Kind of pathetic, but when you've got no real argument, you've got to go with excuses and deflection.

I don’t get the TRA argument that “no transwoman has won the Olympics yet so it’s not a big deal for males to be in female sports.” It’s completely disingenuous… I don’t believe if transwomen started winning records and medals all over the place TRAS would say”oh no! This is really serious now! This is impacting on women’s sports. We regret it! “ No, the goal posts would be moved again and the argument would transform to “well they haven’t won every medal so there’s no problem.” We want to get males out of female sports before they win the medals and records, anyway.

Maybe there should be a 'Cheaters' category in all sports. Anyone who wishes to cheat roll on up. Most ingenious wins the day - wearing flippers, attaching a propeller to your back, riding a dolphin. Anything goes, literally.

At least it would be entertaining viewing.

As Disgusted knows very well, the rules only changed recently & 2021 was the first Olympics under the new rules

Come Back after 10 years if the rules remain as they are & then will talk

And what about this athlete? Petrillo transitioned at the age of 46 and immediately began competing and winning against women 20 years younger. Petrillo thinks this is fine because the rules are being followed. It should be obvious that if the rules make it worthwhile for a male to compete against females 20 years younger, but not vice versa there is something very wrong here!
www.bbc.com/news/stories-57338207

Yes. Even if TW doesn't win a gold, a world record or a championship, that TW is taking a female's place. So female sport is damaged. Female sports categories exist because the sexes are different. Physically different, because of their sex. "Gender": is irrelevant.

@DisgustedofManchester

I don't get your point. Apart from the fact that you're wrong as MoononaSpoon has pointed out, either you think the competition is fair or it isn't. It is a matter of principle. My daughter is really into athletics - she trains hard. Even if she never wins a national title, let alone an international one, she deserves the chance to compete fairly and have a chance to win, don't you think? Or do you really think males have no advantage over females?

world championship here.

I agree not that many right now, because it's just beginning, and people rightly objecting means that only the most entitled of TW are willing to go out there and show they are happy to destroy women's sports for females.

Laurel Hubbard - rightly IMO - opted out, whether because advised to, because of genuine injury, or because Hubbard realised it was not a good look.

Checks how many Olympic medals a trans woman has won so far... zero

Okay ... world records.... nope

National championships.... uh uh

A woman on Twitter said all the things Lia said in the SI article are reasons her rapist gave, and that was just chilling.

“Because I really wanted to and it was important to my life to live life to the fullest. It truly fulfilled me. I felt better than I ever had doing anything. I just couldn’t deny myself.

Those are quotes my rapist told me.

I’m not joking.”

I wonder if the law school LT hopes to go to has a womens sport scholarship?

I've just looked at Sports Illustrated's Twitter and it's a near-total sausage fest. If you showed it to someone who had never heard of the USA they'd get the impression female sports barely exist there already.

That's interesting, I wonder if they would?
Are they still women when in female spaces with no females?

I suspect the world is busy lining up lots of 6'4" male bodied people to jump into the pool with Lia.

Would it be validating for an Olympic "women's final" to consist solely of trans women? Like the ladies loos filled with trans women, whilst the women instead patiently queue for the one unisex disabled loo?

Lia is doing a fabulous job waking people up to the unfairness of male bodied people in women’s sport. Sadly, it’s absolutely shit for the women who place Lia has taken.

TheGreatATuin
Lia is an absolute boon for our side. The US is far behind on the gender debate. The higher Lia flies, along with all the sporting bodies shutting down discussion about it, the faster the US will peak.
Laurel Hubbard was bad, but Hubbard was also middle aged and in a far more over looked sport in NZ.
I hate to say it but I suspect Lia might help turn the tide in the US faster than any feminist voice might ever do.

Agree - first though, many need to get their head around the fact that Lia isn't a person with a dsd nor has had any surgery.