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Skinterior · 2022-03-03T08:16:01+00:00

Gender recognition reform bill to be tabled at Holyrood https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-60589578 I can't wait for this. I'm definitely going to change my legal gender. It would be much easier to achieve equality this way, just think of all that administrative male privilege I'll be able to access. Im pretty sure I'll get a pay rise almost straight away, as soon as HR run the numbers and see that I'm a financial anomaly compared to my male peers. I could report a crime and be taken seriously. It's all very exciting. Im not worried about health care, obviously I still have my cervix, so that's not a concern. One thing though, DH is refusing to change to be a legal woman - I can't imagine why. Im not homophobic, Im happy to become a lesbian. But it means DS technically won't have a mother. It might be a bit of a difficult one for him. I guess Mermaids have a handy pamphlet that will sort all this out. I really can't understand what everyone is complaining about...

Aroundtheworldin80moves · 03/03/2022 09:54

@ScrollingLeaves

I have been wondering what would happen if we ever had a war where there was conscription.

Would self-ID be accepted by governments?

I saw an article online yesterday about a transwoman unable to leave Ukraine as their passport says male, and only women, children and elderly can leave.

Youmadeyourbed · 03/03/2022 09:54

Next time you cook something, use every pot. pan and utensil in the kitchen;
Next time you do a food shop, present your purchases to your spouse in the manner of Indiana Jones having found the Holy Grail;
Never be able to find your own car keys, wallet, phone;
"Babysit" your own children and expect lots of praise for this (and reserve the right to call in the assistance of your female relatives, because it's too much to do on your own);
According to a thread on Feminist Chat, take regular wank breaks at work.

OldCrone · 03/03/2022 09:53

@purpleboy

Make sure to change back to a woman before retirement/pension age

Pension age is equal now in the UK.

OldCrone · 03/03/2022 09:52

@ScrollingLeaves

I have been wondering what would happen if we ever had a war where there was conscription.

Would self-ID be accepted by governments?

What does the Equality Act say about conscription? If it's not specifically mentioned, then wouldn't conscription of one sex only be illegal discrimination?

ScrollingLeaves · 03/03/2022 09:49

I have been wondering what would happen if we ever had a war where there was conscription.

Would self-ID be accepted by governments?

Waitwhat23 · 03/03/2022 09:47

'Women could inherit if they change gender, says Earl' - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42182747.amp

purpleboy · 03/03/2022 09:46

Make sure to change back to a woman before retirement/pension age

Original poster

Skinterior · 03/03/2022 09:43

@WeeBisom

Remember as per the new law you have to prove you’ve lived “as a man”’for at least three months. Make sure you keep a diary to show them all the manly things you’ve been doing. I’m sure they have an objective criteria to test whether you have behaved manly enough for three months in a row.

Ooh that's easy. I'll just tell them I haven't been able to find my wallet without help for three months.

I'll need to be more careful when I've got all that extra money.

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Waitwhat23 · 03/03/2022 09:43

In regards to primogeniture in Scotland, despite it being abolished in 1964, there is still an anomaly between heritable (I.e. land and estates) and moveable property (which I assume means money etc) -

'The MacKintosh Committee recommendations formed the basis of the Succession (Scotland) Act 1964, which abolished primogeniture and made some improvements in the position of spouses and children. However, the Act did not remove the distinction between heritable and moveable property, except with regard to the marital home. This Act as amended continues to govern the legal position today and thus spouses and issue have legal rights to a share of moveable property, but still not of heritable property.'

Quoted from - www.gov.scot/publications/land-reform-review-group-final-report-land-scotland-common-good/pages/19/

Chrysanthemum5 · 03/03/2022 09:42

I've done absolutely nothing different to when I was a woman - but I identify as a man. So it would be transphobic to expect me to have short hair or wear 'male' clothes.

I look forward to my 20% pay rise, and being allowed to work at half the level of effectiveness that my female colleagues are capable of (I appreciate that may be specific to my sector of work only!)

I also look forward to challenging established definitions of what it means to be male, and applying to join the Masons. Oh wait, they've already ruled out transmen from joining. Funny how that's ok, but women having male-free spaces is absolutely unacceptable.

Chersfrozenface · 03/03/2022 09:38

Next thing... Can I have two sets of ID, one for when I'm in woman mode and one for when I'm in man mode?

(I've done re-enactment for years and have plenty of experience of playing male roles, with photos.)

BluerThanRobinsEggs · 03/03/2022 09:36

Can i join the Masons? I can do a funny handshake, I've just taken the bins out, and I'm cultivating a moustache. And I'm wearing a men's tshirt! Wow - I'm in!!

NotBadConsidering · 03/03/2022 09:30

@WeeBisom

Remember as per the new law you have to prove you’ve lived “as a man”’for at least three months. Make sure you keep a diary to show them all the manly things you’ve been doing. I’m sure they have an objective criteria to test whether you have behaved manly enough for three months in a row.

You could get pregnant and have a baby, because apparently that’s part of “living as a man” now [shrug].

LunaLights · 03/03/2022 09:29

GRA - 2004
Section 16 states: 'The fact that a person's gender has become the acquired gender under this Act (a) does not affect the descent of any peerage or dignity or title of honour, and (b) does not affect the devolution of any property.'

OldCrone · 03/03/2022 09:27

@Youmadeyourbed

How does that work with stately homes etc, Kimikos? Does the real estate and family valuables attached to the title not pass with the title to the oldest male heir? Is a separate will gifting the property required?

That's how I thought it worked. It's not just the title, it's the big country pile that goes with it which is passed down the male line.

Sexnotgender · 03/03/2022 09:21

@WeeBisom

Remember as per the new law you have to prove you’ve lived “as a man”’for at least three months. Make sure you keep a diary to show them all the manly things you’ve been doing. I’m sure they have an objective criteria to test whether you have behaved manly enough for three months in a row.

I’ve got jeans, a hoody and trainers on. I’ve got short hair… feeling pretty manly right now.

Sexnotgender · 03/03/2022 09:20

@justaftb

For the ultimate privilege, I would first idenify as a man and once acknowledged as such, would begin identifying as a transwoman. Better odds on gaining places on boards/leadership roles/prizes shortlists than either a woman or a regular man.

Did some Green Party numpty not do that? They were claiming maximum oppression points as a woman who was a man who was a woman or some such guff.

Youmadeyourbed · 03/03/2022 09:19

How does that work with stately homes etc, Kimikos? Does the real estate and family valuables attached to the title not pass with the title to the oldest male heir? Is a separate will gifting the property required?

Aroundtheworldin80moves · 03/03/2022 09:18

@KimikosNightmare that is the exact point. One of the ultimate bits of male privilege, where a second cousin can inherit over a daughter, is unchanged. Because it will directly inconvenience privileged men.

The rest of us mere mortals have got over that.

KimikosNightmare · 03/03/2022 09:14

@Aroundtheworldin80moves

Will you be able to inherit property and title that are passed down the make line?

Your inheritance rights are exactly the same whether you're a man or a woman except for inheritance to titles such as Duke etc. Actual physical property doesn't pass down the male line.

Youmadeyourbed · 03/03/2022 09:14

@justaftb

For the ultimate privilege, I would first idenify as a man and once acknowledged as such, would begin identifying as a transwoman. Better odds on gaining places on boards/leadership roles/prizes shortlists than either a woman or a regular man.

Genius!

spacehardware · 03/03/2022 09:11

"Will you be able to inherit property and title that are passed down the male line?"

You'll be astonished to learn this, but no! It seems notwithstanding that we are supposed to think people really ARE there gender identity for all purposes, this doesn't quite mean all purposes

Drivingish · 03/03/2022 09:11

I don't live in Scotland so technically I shouldn't be able to make use of this but I have Scottish ancestry so it's in the DNA somewhere and I feeeelz Scottish (I like shortbread and lochs and everything!) so that's the same right?

I can't wait for all the backdated applause from the years I was a single dad!!

Pluvia · 03/03/2022 09:10

It'll be a massive relief for me. I work in a 95% male sector and currently a lot of people don't take me seriously. They pretend to but we all know that women aren't as good as men when it comes to technical stuff, don't we? So by quickly changing my sex (only an administrative procedure) I will henceforth be taken seriously.

OldCrone · 03/03/2022 09:06

I thought they were removing the requirement to 'live as a man' before getting a GRC because nobody could describe what it means without resorting to stereotypes. (Or was that the recommendation from the UK government committee?)