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Were these unisex loos legal?

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Sofasogood1 · 01/03/2022 12:19

Lunch with friends the other day and my male friend and I went to the loos before leaving. Entered the loos and there were a row of cubicles, but also another door to a separate room with a sign saying urinals. My male friend actually prefers cubicles so he had a choice. He could have chosen the urinals where let's face it no one without a penis would be. I had my period and actually felt a bit weird changing my pad with men in the next cubicles. There were no sinks in the cubicles and I wonder how I would have felt changing a moon cup or what ever.

Is this legal? I thought if loos are unisex there should be sinks in cubicles?

It felt unfair with men having their own seperate area, and women not having a choice. But the legality - I wasn't sure on and wondered if I should complain or if I'm being a bit precious.

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GCITC · 04/03/2022 12:39

Yes, you're not getting it.

Males don't bleed from their vaginas and therefore do not require tampons. Both males and females urinate and therefore need equal access to such facilities. You cannot provide facilities that only males can use without providing facilities that are exclusively female, as you would be providing more facilities to males than females. Therefore you are discriminating against females, because females cannot stand to urinate.

bythere · 04/03/2022 08:53

@Don'tLikeCrumpets Morally wrong was what I meant.

OneEpisode · 04/03/2022 07:07

For instance, this www.cheltenham.gov.uk/info/65/public_and_environmental_health/1347/toilets_in_commercial_premises
For a capacity of more than 16..

OneEpisode · 04/03/2022 07:05

Hi Pyewhacket if the Op opens her web browser and searches the council name and premises licence Op can find the local requirements. Most councils require a floor plan marking toilets. Some dictate the count of female and male toilets as a ratio of customers.
Obviously tiny places might only have one, single use loo.

Pyewhacket · 04/03/2022 04:59

@OneEpisode

This was a restaurant? The licensing authority would have requirements. It could cost them their alcohol or public entertainments licence.
Rubbish.
DontLikeCrumpets · 04/03/2022 04:53

@bythere What do you mean by totally wrong? Do you mean the facts are wrong or do you mean unisex toilets are morally wrong?

RobynMyEmployer · 04/03/2022 04:32

@GCITC

This is the problem. Male only provision is available without a similar female only provision, therefore there is discrimination on the basis of sex, as more services are being provided to males than to females.
But given that women don't use urinals, isn't this a bit like complaining about the lack of male tampons? Or am I not getting it?
bythere · 04/03/2022 02:27

[quote DontLikeCrumpets]@RobynMyEmployer Urinals at the PH theatre not segregated. Women have "no choice" but to pass men using urinals to reach the cubicles.[/quote]
Totallly wrong.

Enough4me · 03/03/2022 23:54

I've seen unisex toilets and a separate mens toilet in my local Tesco. It meant there were urinals to wee all over and toilet seats for men to wee all over. I won't use them again.

GCITC · 03/03/2022 23:43

@GCITC

This is the problem. Male only provision is available without a similar female only provision, therefore there is discrimination on the basis of sex, as more services are being provided to males than to females.
Sorry that was to Robyn.
GCITC · 03/03/2022 23:39

This is the problem. Male only provision is available without a similar female only provision, therefore there is discrimination on the basis of sex, as more services are being provided to males than to females.

DontLikeCrumpets · 03/03/2022 23:32

@RobynMyEmployer Urinals at the PH theatre not segregated. Women have "no choice" but to pass men using urinals to reach the cubicles.

RobynMyEmployer · 03/03/2022 21:12

@sanluca

It is sex discrimination towards women as they can't use the urinals so women have less facilities available to them than men have.
How would they use the urinals? 🤔

Surely this area is segregated only due to the fact that men get their genitals out to urinate whilst women don't due to being unable to wee standing up and thus requiring a cubicle.

DontLikeCrumpets · 03/03/2022 03:16

@Sofasogood1 You think that is as bad as it gets? Here's just a snip from a DM article about one woman's experience at the Playhouse Theatre. (I highly recommend reading the entire article)
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So it was with some horror that, earlier this month, I found myself in a West End theatre having quite the opposite experience.

That night, I was expecting to see Cabaret. I certainly didn't anticipate that, during the interval, I'd also be 'treated' to an impromptu performance of Privates on Parade.

But, thanks to the Playhouse Theatre's gender-neutral toilet policy, that's exactly what I got — front-row tickets to the unwelcome spectacle of a row of embarrassed men relieving themselves at urinals. Opera glasses were not required.

Why? There are no longer any Ladies' toilets at the Playhouse Theatre.

Facilities once reserved for women are labelled simply 'Toilets' and open to both sexes. The only other option are labelled 'Urinals'.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10562439/Womens-privacy-flushed-away-Mother-says-erosion-treasured-sanctuary.html

Sickoffamilydrama · 02/03/2022 22:36

Just found this on a website about building regulations:
As such, although they should provide separate facilities where possible, organisations are not required by law to provide single-sex facilities if the toilet is in a room (not a cubicle) with a lockable door

Can someone please point me to this clearly defined in law or guidance so I can write to these companies? I don't women's place letter quite makes that clear.

Vulcanodon · 02/03/2022 14:43

I was in the Science Museum recently - mixed sex loos with huge gaps at top and bottom of cubicles (like a couple of feet at the top) and shared basins. Would be interested to know if these were illegal!

Nelliephant1 · 02/03/2022 11:25

They'd have to pass planning, building control regulations etc.

Sickoffamilydrama · 02/03/2022 11:16

I'd be interested to know this too been to 2 activity centres recently that had two cubicles next to each other & were unisex. They had huge gaps around the bottom.

OneEpisode · 01/03/2022 16:23

Unisex loos are perfectly legal. Loos like the one in your house, small cafes, or in bigger places marked with the wheelchair symbol. Not illegal.
Op isn’t describing a Unisex, single person, loo. Op is describing a multi-use mixed sex loo.

SevenWaystoLeave · 01/03/2022 16:00

Unisex loos are not illegal, no.

SevenWaystoLeave · 01/03/2022 15:59

@sanluca

It is sex discrimination towards women as they can't use the urinals so women have less facilities available to them than men have.
So is it discrimination in every case where the women's loos has fewer cubicles than the men's has urinals? Because this is extremely common.
OneEpisode · 01/03/2022 14:02

This was a restaurant? The licensing authority would have requirements. It could cost them their alcohol or public entertainments licence.

Bigfishlittlepuddle · 01/03/2022 13:43

Surely if the workplace laws apply to people visiting/burgling your home, surely they also apply to customers using toilets?

Sofasogood1 · 01/03/2022 12:59

@SamphiretheStickerist

There are some very specific the about that and full height doors and hand basins inside cubicles are just 2 of them.

We really need something written down so that companies and individuals know about such things.

Oh, wait... .gov.uk....

I found a call for evidence but not actual current policy
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