Feeling Very Disturbed

Not everyone subscribes to your bioessentialist definition of "woman".

You would think vets, who I assume know how to sex animals at or shortly after birth, would know sex is binary. Imagine sticking an appendage on a female dog and assuming it would be fine with it's brothers...call it Dave as well (pronouns he/him).

I’m also a vet. Clearly there are quite a few of us!

Same here. I know a few.

A pharmacist I know though who works in a hospital said some younger hcps (didnt specify who) very rather captured.

Was the post on VV? Anyone on Vetsurgeon as there's another post about Stonewall on there? I've just done a long reply to that (with references!) and expecting to get flack.
Also a vet

The loudest speak over others in their rush to assert their piety. I imagine many lurkers in the group feel similarly to you, OP.

Twaw is also an idea trumpeted by the comfortable, oppression-seeking middle-classes, who are traditionally encouraged into (vet)med, so it's not entirely a wonder that it has its support.

Might it be worth someone (not necessarily you) pointing out the LGBAlliance came in to existence because more and more LGB people feel that Stonewall discriminates against them and is actively homophobic.

Including Simon Fanshawe, who was one of the founders of Stonewall. He's a bit of a hero of mine.

OP this is a paper about the importance of language related to sex, as it has an impact on health outcomes.

It is brilliantly written by HCPs. It is also nuanced and respectful.

Perhaps the people who shut you down might listen to this?

www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fgwh.2022.818856/full?fbclid=IwAR2LxA0PL7cJ0SbS_Jq9df5jfLbCCwfVz86vd7aYWkeAq23liD_TpfEpuqA

I know a GP who, about 10 years ago, was asked to take on a young transitioning female patient who did not have a regular GP. - probably really on the first wave of the current wave of younger women transitioners. She was told that aside from normal health care she would just be looking at dealing with prescriptions, making sure things were in order for tests or referrals, as far as the medical transition went - pretty regular stuff. All the psychological assessments etc were in order.

She agreed and things seemed fine, until a few years later when this poor person just started to fall apart, from all of the underlying issues that, it turned out, had never been addressed by the therapists.

Now, this GP was and is a person who is reasonable skeptical about medical fads, but this was an area she wasn't expert in and hadn't had much reason to get into the nitty gritty. When it went bad she was really upset that things had not been as thorough as she'd been led to believe.

davidrobson.me/the-intelligence-trap/

All of the HCPs I know in real life are - well, either gc or just Not Buying It for a minute.

OP, some of the worst be-kind, TWAW people I know are doctors. And not young doctors, people at consultant level. I've had a Head of Paediatrics arguing with me that sex is a spectrum! Same with very experienced, top-of-scale clinical psychologists and a psychiatrist I know. I have a suspicion that several of them are ASD: a couple of them actually talk about being autistic. They seem to be so clever that they can be persuaded to accept anything as true.

@FeelingVeryDisturbed

You are absolutely in touch with reality, they are the ones who are out of touch.

Really frustrating, but not unsurprising if it’s main moderator is Libdem. (Assuming I’ve guessed the right page) I’ve seen similar on another vet site and just had to keep my head down and say nothing.

Might it be worth someone (not necessarily you) pointing out the LGBAlliance came in to existence because more and more LGB people feel that Stonewall discriminates against them and is actively homophobic. That might at least give some of them pause for thought (or maybe not!).

@FeelingVeryDisturbed

You aren't alone. I saw the same post briefly.
Afraid I'm not brave enough to raise my head I think there are likely plenty more like us.
Can't believe the RCVS are still paying SW.
As a profession we bang on about EBVM, but it seems that's not implemented in practice and can't even be rationally discussed.
You aren't out of touch and your age isn't related to your views.

I truly think people just see 'Stonewall' and think that equals being fair and accepting of others so anyone questioning membership gets instantly shut down.

Unless they've done some background reading into it, most can't see through their agenda.

In a way it's even more baffling coming from vets. Do they also believe trans ewes are ewes? Trans bulls are bulls? If a dog called Lulu was brought in wearing a pink diamanté collar would they treat it as specifically female, regardless of its genetalia? If not, why not?

I’d be disturbed too. Vets? Fuck sake.

Do they support other Queer identitarians? Are Furries animals?

I'd be disturbed too. Tbh I am permanently disturbed to some extent by all of this.

Ah. I hope, but sadly I don't feel confident enough to expect, that HCPs who deal with humans may have seen the problems in some of their patients and started thinking harder about it all.

Not too many gender issues in farm animals and pets, I assume!