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littlebilliie · 26/02/2022 23:20

I think there is so much to worry about with Ukraine, I wasn't expecting this statement from MI6 about freedoms.... I think a whole society is at risk yet there is more pontificate and point scoring which suggest a 'wall influence.

Completely tone deaf

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terryleather · 27/02/2022 13:11

^I see we have a new teacher in town.
Fucking amazing how men love to come over here and tell us what to think.^

Innit, and tell us that whatever we're doing we're doing it wrong and not doing it in their approved way.

Tiresomely predictable.

Goatsaregreat · 27/02/2022 13:11

Back to the tone deaf message. Given the tragedy that we're seeing unfolding (and speaking as a member of the LGB community) it's bloody offensive to see this white man prioritising one group like this.
As suggested upthread, he's after the Stonewall points, not realising that his lack of concern for the citizens of Ukraine is very telling about his real priorities. It's yet another example of institutional capture.

Movingonup22 · 27/02/2022 13:08

The bearded woke bro who they put I charge of his Twitter is not going to have a great Monday

Hawkins001 · 27/02/2022 13:07

And I was trying to encourage all mumsnetters, the key word being All Mumsnetters.

Hawkins001 · 27/02/2022 13:06

and I'll hold my hands up, if i could of phrased my points better then my error.

Redshoeblueshoe · 27/02/2022 13:05

I see we have a new teacher in town.
Fucking amazing how men love to come over here and tell us what to think.
As for Robin - why do you post on here but block us all on Twitter ?

Hawkins001 · 27/02/2022 13:04

@LunaLights

You are scolding and reprimanding. You are repeating yourself continuously. You are not adding to any discussion or debate. You are attempting to police, deflect and shame.

No one here wants, needs or appreciates it.

My aim was trying to use the Socratic methods, of asking why, to encourage and help understand how some people prefer to just swear, and curse, rather than actually debate and analysing information to gain better understanding, and asking how is it helpful just cursing rather than learning from debating, and analysing.

Yes at times I've repeated my perspectives when conversing with different mumsnetters.

newrubylane · 27/02/2022 12:56

I'm not sure I get why MI6 needs to be tweeting for LGBTQ+ history month anyway. They are a public-funded organisation and they should be focusing their time, energy and resources on their actual job, surely.

LunaLights · 27/02/2022 12:56

You are scolding and reprimanding.
You are repeating yourself continuously.
You are not adding to any discussion or debate.
You are attempting to police, deflect and shame.

No one here wants, needs or appreciates it.

Hawkins001 · 27/02/2022 12:53

@Whitefire

You're not though. You encourage debate and understanding by offering an opinion, not just telling everyone off.
Fair point, when I have researched more and understand different perspectives, then I'll be more qualified to give my analysis.
Whitefire · 27/02/2022 12:52

You're not though. You encourage debate and understanding by offering an opinion, not just telling everyone off.

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 27/02/2022 12:51

just trying to at least try to help and encourage debate and understanding

you are not helping or encouraging debate

JustSpeculation · 27/02/2022 12:50

[quote Hawkins001]@littlbrowndog

I'm trying to give the impression that having a better analysis and debate encourages better understanding and learning.[/quote]
Is there any way we can get beyond just giving the impression, and actually have some of that better analysis and debate in, you know, words and ideas and stuff? Just an impression comes across as nothing but a pained genteel sniff.

KittenKong · 27/02/2022 12:47

By demanding that everyone submits their end of term paper? No thanks.

Hawkins001 · 27/02/2022 12:40

@KittenKong

Is Hawkins pretending to be a teacher?
just trying to at least try to help and encourage debate and understanding.
Hawkins001 · 27/02/2022 12:38

@Theluggage15

Why would anyone care what you think Hawkins? You’re like one of those tedious pub bores. It’s a simple discussion about a tweet ffs.
I'm trying to encourage debate and analysis of the tweet, how is it helpful when some mumsnetters, just curse or use profanity, that to me, seems counter productive,.if it does not add any analysis or better understanding.
KittenKong · 27/02/2022 12:37

Is Hawkins pretending to be a teacher?

Theluggage15 · 27/02/2022 12:35

Why would anyone care what you think Hawkins? You’re like one of those tedious pub bores. It’s a simple discussion about a tweet ffs.

Hawkins001 · 27/02/2022 12:30

@DomesticatedZombie

When I have been inclusive of all people, how did you arrive at your analysis ?

Hawkins001 · 27/02/2022 12:27

@MrsWooster

I am sick to death of being told how to react to things. You constructively debate til the cows come home, Hawkins, you embrace pseudo-religious mantras that give you a warm, fuzzy, inclusive feeling deep in your parts. You have NO RIGHT to tell me what to feel, think, or say and your belief that you do is horribly revealing of the entitled, privileged ideology that you are shilling for. And that goes for you, Robin, too.
My posts were a critique as to why some posters feel the need to just curse and swear rather than debate, tell me, when you have a group of people that are engaged in helping to encourage debate and analysis, why then is it helpful when you have random comments that are cursing and swearing with no intellectual debate or information ?
EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 27/02/2022 12:24

I'm grasping for something here. When other people judge how others in a space should behave and abrogate to themselves the right to assert terms and conditions to a discussion in which they don't engage it reminds me of a novel.

It was a discussion between male characters about how splendid and formative a mentor another male character had been because he was maieutic (derived from midwifery and akin to Socratic method of eliciting new ideas from others. NB, I loathe the Socratic method mostly because of the way men practice it and it usually involves claiming responsibility for any ideas discussed as if they created them).

Does anyone recognise this novel? I can't think why I'm getting those vibes from some posters who are also effectively non-participants on this thread.

DomesticatedZombie · 27/02/2022 12:22

My diversity says you don't need surgery to be a woman, women can look feel and act any which way. And no surgery can change one's sex. To imagine it can is nothing to do with diversity, anymore than believing the world is flat is accepting a diversity of truths.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/02/2022 12:18

The wording also sounds almost smug - like look at us not fighting for our lives simply because we’re not homophobic.

Yes, I agree.

samsalmon · 27/02/2022 12:08

@RobinMoiraWhite

I feel sad for those who plainly feel threatened by embracing diversity. I can only think that a life in increasingly small boxes awaits you.
It’s funny but we’re not the ones climbing into and out of increasingly small boxes, quite the reverse.
DomesticatedZombie · 27/02/2022 12:07

@Goatsaregreat

I'm still Shock that Hawkins decided he's the one to monitor and police threads on here. Such typical male entitlement.
Just the latest in a long line of visitors to drop by and tell us we're performing womanhood wrong.