Does anyone else cringe at the word "diversity"?

@Lekisa658 Women who are happy to washed by men can make that decision. Women who want to say they are men should not wash any man who has asked for same-sex healthcare. As those men want male care.

I think it's creepy that Brian has priority over your mum's wishes.

It's honestly disturbing that you have to get all creepy and personal about this nonsense.

That's because, for women, this is entirely personal. It is our safety and dignity that is being eroded.

Do not speak of my mother. Not in your questions, not in your hypothetical scenarios. You are not entitled to use the image of my mother for your transphobic bullshit.

Personal you say?

“Are you really, honestly, truly ignorant of the fact that sex crimes, all of them, are committed by men in nearly 99% of the cases. And statistically men who call themselves transwomen are overrepresented in prison in terms of sex crimes.”

I think of that the same way I think of "13/50" being thrown at me by racists. Percentages mean nothing to me. They do not justify discrimination.

[quote Enough4me]**@Lekisa658* I care that all* women can ask for same sex care in healthcare settings. That includes your mum. Call me names, but I'm the one considering her rights. Why can't your mum come first?[/quote]
What about those "females" who do not want to be called "women" and will actively avoid any services that refer to them as "women"?

Do you care to accommodate them, by not insisting on referring to them as such?

[And I've told you, you do not get to mention my mother, creep.]

@Lekisa658

Are you really, honestly, truly ignorant of the fact that sex crimes, all of them, are committed by men in nearly 99% of the cases. And statistically men who call themselves transwomen are overrepresented in prison in terms of sex crimes.

Does that mean that all transwomen are predators? No. In the same way that not all men are. Does that mean that only men are, including those who identify as women? 99% of the time, yes.

Sex crimes, violent crimes, predatory crimes are overwhelmingly committed by men, including those who identify as women.

You getting all outraged about it is a little bit silly.

A transwomen who insists they are a woman and therefore can give intimate care to a woman, despite the fact that she's asked for a female, is already happy to violate her boundaries.

Women encounter these sorts of males, all the time. All the bloody time.

Which is why sex segregation is important under certain circumstances, and it must be based on sex.

@Lekisa658 I care that all women can ask for same sex care in healthcare settings. That includes your mum. Call me names, but I'm the one considering her rights. Why can't your mum come first?

But a single space between trans and woman really causes such despair?

So why do I need to be called what is a slur?

And perhaps some posters are quite unaware just how many readers read these threads after either being directed to 'educate' themselves or because they realise that something is not quite as it is being presented by trans activists.

Those readers are very much getting their fill of the inane arguments and points being used by extreme trans activist posters on these threads today.

TRAs don't call the site a "radicalisation portal" for nothing.

And that a different trans woman is not an inherent risk, and the only reason you think any trans woman would be a risk by default

They aren't any more or less a "risk by default" than any other male person.

Shhhh! Eresh, you are stating inconvenient truths. The next 'look there is a squirrel' post will be coming along soon. I doubt any discussion will address any requests for evidence.

And perhaps some posters are quite unaware just how many readers read these threads after either being directed to 'educate' themselves or because they realise that something is not quite as it is being presented by trans activists.

Those readers are very much getting their fill of the inane arguments and points being used by extreme trans activist posters on these threads today.

And that a different trans woman is not an inherent risk, and the only reason you think any trans woman would be a risk by default

They aren't any more or less a "risk by default" than any other male person.

So, by all means, continue to use the word when describing posters here who have asked you to stop using it. Transwoman is not considered to be outside the guidelines however. And if you wish to, you can discuss it with them as I am sure many trans activists have in the past.

As a woman, no I don’t want a male doing intimate care or exams, especially one who is looking me on the eye and denying basic biology.

It's amazing how difficult people find this simple statement of boundaries to grasp, even when they don't agree.

You can go ahead and mentally substitute "cis" for "biological" or "natal" if you need to, but I will not do that for you.

I'll be removing it entirely, mentally, because it's meaningless in-group speak, and woman doesn't need a sex-based qualifier.

And it doesn't exactly chime with respect for peoples identities, does it? Practice what you preach.

It's considered deliberately goady to call unwilling women "cis" here on the feminist board of mumsnet, it's even mentioned in the talk guidelines, so don't be surprised if your post is reported and/or deleted.

“There is no such thing as c** - and you know that word is viewed as an insult to many, so as a courtesy, please don’t.”

I'll stop using "cis" as soon as you stop saying "transwoman" instead of "trans woman" and stop referring to trans women as "men"/"male".

Meaning never.

You can go ahead and mentally substitute "cis" for "biological" or "natal" if you need to, but I will not do that for you.

Do not speak of my mother. Not in your questions, not in your hypothetical scenarios. You are not entitled to use the image of my mother for your transphobic bullshit.

As a woman, no I don’t want a male doing intimate care or exams, especially one who is looking me on the eye and denying basic biology. These aren’t the ‘be kind bears’ and don’t seem to like women very much.

And this is where my repeated requests for studies and facts brings us.

In the UK, males commit 98% of sex offences. This has been consistent for quite some time.

Please front up the evidence by way of statistics of current prisoners in the UK or studies that show that transitioned males commit sex crime at a reduced rate compared to 'all males'.

Your endless baseless assertions are really not convincing anyone and if you cannot back it up with evidence, please stop making those claims.

There is a reason that females have particular safeguarding needs that consider the risks of males. All males.

It's any touching by a man @Lekisa658, when your nn said no man is permitted to touch her. Jessica is not a man, you explained this yourself. If Jessica touches inappropriately that also needs to be reported, but regular touching (washing) is permitted as your nan has approved this...as she has women's rights for sex-selected care.

Let's say "Brian" is a cis woman named Jessica instead. Does the inappropriate touching suddenly become okay then?

Or is it the inappropriate touching that's the problem, rather than the sex of the person doing it? And that you can just sack the individual doing it, instead of formenting prejudice against an entire group?

@Lekisa658 so you wouldn't want to listen to your nan over Brian then?