Does anyone else cringe at the word "diversity"?

Facts matter.

Percent of men who have given birth: 0%

I wondered what those numbers were all about. I mean, still not much the wiser, but I don't care.

I'm guessing a British teen who has swallowed the American playbook whole and not digested it. I think it was on a other thread where we were treated to a weird telescopic distortion of history where most white people demanded total segregation from other races (yes, it was a "you are like racists" analogy). A sort of cultural imperialism (well, surrender) of the imagination.

If there happen to be lurkers who have put the daft arguments this poster has provided down to them being either very young, or very very committed for their own, personal reasons, and therefore maybe a bit of an outlier in terms of their argument. Don't.

Those are the arguments.

There is a reason no debate is still as prevalent as ever.

I know what I think, but I'll keep it to myself.

"13/50" is part of the US social justice wars.

Do we have a young thinned-skinned American male or female lecturing us? Looking at their user name I have doubts about female.

yes, just enough deletions to not be banned so they can come again.

I do hope that they bring some evidence though. That would be interesting.

... Whilst leaving a toe in the door, obviously 🙃

And they have announced their departure from MN.

Textbook.

Lekisa has pretty much talked themselves out of believing in anything at all.

Truly Eresh, I think that some posters have talked themselves out of being credible about anything at all.

26%

I'm laughing at this now. You must be very young. If percentages mean nothing to you, then how do you get to decide whether or not people who say they are trans are oppressed?

as I said earlier, Lekisa has pretty much talked themselves out of believing in anything at all.

I think of that the same way I think of "13/50" being thrown at me by racists. Percentages mean nothing to me.

26%.

I think it's creepy that Brian has priority over your mum's wishes.

Indeed.

If percentages mean nothing to you, then how do you get to decide whether or not people who say they are trans are oppressed?

Shall we turn the evidence question around and ask for the evidence on just why UK trans people are considered to be the most vulnerable and marginalised in the the country?

Can you at least provide this Lekisa because your arguments are showing a deep lack of understanding on feminist issues? On the female lived experience and on, well, a lack of understanding on much at all. It all seems very superficial.

There's a lot of talk today about who "gets to" say what and who is "in a position to" say what. It's an oddly aggressive and controlling way to try to conduct a discussion. All quite reminiscent of looking after a toddler, except I'm not inclined to chuckle fondly.

Would belligerent, woman-hating men please ask other men, instead of other women, to "be kind" to them? Fellow men can "be kind" in hospital wards, in prisons, in changing rooms and in single-sex toilets.

Some hulking bearded men like to wear conventional men's clothes and live a conventional manly life, including in some well known cases, being repeat rapists of women (or children), yet still say "magic words" to declare themselves not to be men at all. Others like to attempt to pass themselves off as women by using drag.

In the cases where a man in women's clothes needs to enter a toilet, prison, hospital ward, or changing room, he must take the risk that other men might give him a curious glance of surprise, which he might choose to interpret as "unkind".

But at least he is completely safe, knowing his fellow men will not make any sexual moves towards him; because most men almost never make unwanted sexual advances, do they?

But in any case, he has the extra, inbuilt, security guard of his own manly strength, developed over his entire previous life and as the non-erasable result of having every cell of his body 'xy'.

If one man is so "unkind" as to attempt unwanted touching of a fellow man, (however one or both are attired) they would each have their manly equality of physical strength to fight one another off.

In the extreme case, where perhaps several men ganged up to hurt a fellow man (no matter how any of them are dressed) then the assaulted man would certainly not become pregnant, and would have more chance of being strong enough to survive alive.

Therefore, those with 'xy' chromosomes, are at all times and everywhere have little or nothing to fear from their fellow men.

In contrast, everywhere and all the time, those with 'xx' chromosomes have a great deal to fear from men : Wearing dresses or wearing penguin suits, they are still 'xx'

Dear God, you can't be this silly. It's not discrimination, it's safeguarding.

I think they are. They seem to have no clue as to discrimination and how it can be used as either a tool for safety and progress as well as for harm.

The complete lack of nuance on these threads today has been outstanding!

I think of that the same way I think of "13/50" being thrown at me by racists. Percentages mean nothing to me. They do not justify discrimination.

I'm laughing at this now. You must be very young. If percentages mean nothing to you, then how do you get to decide whether or not people who say they are trans are oppressed?

You can't count any of them!!

I think of that the same way I think of "13/50" being thrown at me by racists. Percentages mean nothing to me. They do not justify discrimination.

Then you actually know nothing about safeguarding at all.

Thanks for confirming that fact with this statement.

I take it that no evidence will be forthcoming?

Just more ad hominem attacks to distract readers from your lack of reasoned arguments.

Look everyone ..... there is a squirrel!!!!

I think of that the same way I think of "13/50" being thrown at me by racists. Percentages mean nothing to me. They do not justify discrimination.

🤣

How to say I am a clueless twonk without actually saying the words...

Do you think that people who work with children should be DBS checked? Or shall we just let paedophiles work with children because it's discriminatory not to?