Would you say anything?

I’ve spoken to my kids’ school even though they haven't gone anywhere near as far as this. I just said, how would you answer if a child asked you ‘what is a girl?’ or ‘how do I know I’m not a girl?’. The lovely deputy head said, hmm yes, that is a very good question, food for thought. All materials from Stonewall when I asked. We have to keep speaking up. No way would I allow them to go unchallenged if they are teaching way out batshit non-factual stuff and they need to be clear on the distinction between fact and belief. I also said that we are supposed to be teaching our kids to be critical and independent thinkers, so you should be ready for these questions and just be sure you have an answer. I hope it’s at least made them re evaluate.

That's one opinion but the more common inclusive opinion is that gender can be different to body parts. So a 'woman' can feel like a man inspite of having breasts and a vagina.

She’s still a woman though, even if she has a double-mastectomy and takes hormones that have dangerous side effects.

So why not applaud women who act outside of stereotypes for their sex rather than insist they’re actually a man when they’re CLEARLY not ever going to change sex.

It’s gaslighting and it’s dangerous.

That's one opinion but the more common inclusive opinion is that gender can be different to body parts. So a 'woman' can feel like a man inspite of having breasts and a vagina

Gender is nothing but sexist societal stereotypes imposed on women and girls to diminish their humanity and stifle their potential. You might be happy for your children to be brainwashed into thinking gender crap is meaningful, but some of us want more for our children.

Learning must be age appropriate.

Facts must be sorted from fiction.

Everyone is aware at this point that those who disagree with the ideological view point that you can become the other sex or chose from one of 100 genders are facing "consequences". It is not fair for children of 7 to have to face the consequences of disagreeing with their teacher.

Teaching children dissociation from their own physical reality isn't inclusive to me but incredibly damaging. Almost assuming that feeling alienated from your body is normal.

• so to answer your question, no that's not the curriculum and yes you should be complaining.

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Nothing in here remotely resembling what your DD has been told. Yes, I would be asking questions and possibly making a complaint.

When my children were small, one of them had a vicar's wife as a class teacher. I had to have a stern conversation with this (well-meaning, albeit imho, essentially bonkers) woman at one point. Something like as follows:

"Some people believe they have immortal souls, but we in our family do not. Actually, we think there is no such thing as an immortal soul, and that such things are just impossible nonsense. So please, teacher, do not tell my child her grandad will never really die, even if you believe that to be true ... If you do, I will be on you like a ton of bricks, because you do not have the right to indoctrinate my child against my wishes, particularly about important matters of belief like this. Is that clear?"

((Attempted, possibly unsuccessful) friendly, but stern, no-nonsense smile: "... Of course we all respect other people's rights to their beliefs, however silly we might think them, don't we? You can tell her that, and I will too.")

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Now what goes around comes around, and if the necessity were to arise I have suggested to this child, now a parent herself something along the same lines wrt a grandchild and her (well-meaning ...) teacher:

"Some people believe they have gender identities, but we in our family do not. Actually we think there is no such thing as a gender identity, and that such things are just impossible nonsense. So please, teacher, do not tell my child her uncle can change sex and become an aunty, even if you believe that to be true ... If you do, I will be on you like a ton of bricks, because you do not have the right to indoctrinate my child against my wishes, particularly about important matters of belief like this. Is that clear?"

(Friendly, but stern, no-nonsense smile: "... Of course we all respect other people's rights to their beliefs, however silly we might think them, don't we? You can tell her that, and I will too.")

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I have suggested, also, my daughter tell the teacher the 'immortal soul' story from her childhood (albeit she knew little of it at the time, of course), to frame the matter and make the points that (1) belief in gender identity is relevantly similar to religious belief; and (2) it is established, at least in what we might call the 'civilised' world, that teachers ought not are not allowed -- to indoctrinate children in religious-type beliefs their parents do not share. Please, anyone, feel free also to use it similarly.

[quote FusionChefGeoff]@autienotnaughty because it's not true?

You can't become a boy.

You can have surgery to attempt to recreate something that looks a bit like a penis and you can remove your breasts.

But you cannot become a boy.

Of course we have to challenge if our kids are being taught things that simply aren't true![/quote]
That's one opinion but the more common inclusive opinion is that gender can be different to body parts. So a 'woman' can feel like a man inspite of having breasts and a vagina

I would email for clarification to keep a paper trail. They will likely respond with a phone call so send a follow up email to summarise the conversation. This is so wrong and unnecessary. I'm not familiar with Scottish education but for my primary school they took the decision not to go above and beyond the guidance. Schools have a choice to go above and beyond. If there is something similar in Scotland you could ask why they decided to go above and beyond, how did they justify this? There would most likely be cost implications for going above and beyond. Then follow up.

Google phallophasty and the success rates. Gender identity is a belief and they have taught your child as if it is fact and that is indoctrination and not politically impartial.
As others have said read Safe Schools Alliance and Transgender Trend www.transgendertrend.com/ to help with your follow up.
This is a real good film for some background for you.

If school had educated the OP’s daughter that the world is flat, would you take the same approach?

@autienotnaughty because it's not true?

You can't become a boy.

You can have surgery to attempt to recreate something that looks a bit like a penis and you can remove your breasts.

But you cannot become a boy.

Of course we have to challenge if our kids are being taught things that simply aren't true!

You seem very determined your children should think the same as you. Why not let them learn, form their own opinions and be there to quide and educate rather than enforce?

The trouble with this approach to life is that when you have to put it into very simple terms for children and they say it back to you, the wrongness becomes very clear. I played around with trying to give my son some religious culture without loads of actual religion but then found myself reading him the story of Jonah and the Whale and .. I mean, come on! It's nuts and there's not exactly much to learn from it, it's not even exciting, just revolting. This stuff is like someone starting to introduce a new religion into a primary school that has three commandments: 1. Be Kind or we will ostracise you 2. The past is dead and unmentionable 3. Behold, I tell you a mystery - though you were born female, yet in your male flesh shall you behold God.

I just watched this Ben Boyce interview with a parent in the US who is challenging SEL (social and emotional learning) classes because of all the nonsense that they incorporate into this subject. Parents are starting to get angry thankfully.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=_4-zW6r-VbY

I'd be tempted to print out some graphic photos of sex change operations and mastectomies, lay them on the table in front of the headteacher and ask why they are promoting them to my child.

Get ANGRY.

How dare they spout this ideology as fact?!

I would be straight down to the school all guns blazing.

This is what it takes. Anyone teacher considering at a curriculum like this has to feel a shudder of dread at the thought of the grief they would get from parents if they used it.

You need to be more annoying and in their face than those who would object if they didn't spout this stuff.

That's how the TRAs got this far - by being really annoying (and scary).

Women need to demonstrate that they can be just as annoying and in larger numbers.

I would be absolutely furious and I would definitely speak to the school. I would ask to speak to the PSHE lead, the head teacher and complain to the governors.
I would get all the relevant resources from Safe Schools Alliance and Transgender Trend and lay it all out.
I would remind them that the government advise NOT to use resources that say you are born in the wrong body etc (even though they don’t actually care if schools do) - oh wait you’re in Scotland. Rats.
I’d still furiously complain though. This nonsense is so damaging. And it shits all over any developing personal boundaries of the girls.

I would be straight down to the school all guns blazing. I did it with dd's school and managed to get some lessons removed or changed. It's so important that you complain. I'm also a teacher and try to counter this stuff at my own school, but parents have more power.

I’d be absolutely livid and would let the school know in no uncertain terms. I would consider removing my child.

Beyond sick of this fucking bullshit, brainwashing and gaslighting children.

I'd complain to the school. They shouldn't be teaching we can be 'born in the wrong body.' Children believe what their teachers tell them if it's taught as fact. This is so damaging.

Research the many negatives of puberty blockers, hormones, and surgery, point out that girls are adversely impacted by this ideology, and disabled (autistic), and traumatised, girls disproportionately. How are they safeguarding these girls? This shit is taking over - we have to fight it..