Don’t bother applying for a job if you think people can’t change sex, NHS trust tells health official

Every bigot says this about the stereotypes they believe to be true.

Feel free to argue the actual point, any time.

Why is it that male people commit 98% of sex crime, Lekisa?

“Stereotypes? It's reality.”

Every bigot says this about the stereotypes they believe to be true.

Trans people need single-sex spaces just as much as anyone else - as everywhere, it's overwhelmingly the males who sexually assault the females among the trans community - so transmen and female non-binaries have to be protected from transwomen and male non-binaries...

Absolutely. That's why FTM trans people don't tend to be put into male prison.

The reason you are so persistent in labeling trans women as "men" is because you want to weaponize those gender stereotypes against them ("perverted paraphilic predatory males" etc.) to advocate for their exclusion.

Stereotypes? It's reality.

Trans people need single-sex spaces just as much as anyone else - as everywhere, it's overwhelmingly the males who sexually assault the females among the trans community - so transmen and female non-binaries have to be protected from transwomen and male non-binaries...

This is demonstrably true. There are countless "transwomen" in prison for sexual offences. It's not "transmen" committing these offenses.

If this wasn't true, then I would actually tend to go along with the trans stuff, but claims of "trans" or "non binary" status just throw people's actual sex, and sex-typical behaviour, into sharp relief.

You've pretty much talked yourself out of believing in anything, Lekisa except your practically religious fervour that trans women are women, with no reasoned argument as to why other people should accept that on their or your say so.

Here we have the end point of the TRA argument.

Women's sports? Banned, mixed sex only.

Want to be black, like Rachel Dolezal, but people keep forcing you into the 'white' box? Go for it, never mind racism or anything.

Hypochondriac, but those pesky doctors keep forcing you into the 'healthy' box? Not any more!

Also, you absolutely do believe in a whole set of bioessentialist gender stereotypes about "men".

Do you deny that gender is actually a thing at all?

You aren't "gender critical". You are firm believers in gender stereotypes.

Also, you absolutely do believe in a whole set of bioessentialist gender stereotypes about "men".

The reason you are so persistent in labeling trans women as "men" is because you want to weaponize those gender stereotypes against them ("perverted paraphilic predatory males" etc.) to advocate for their exclusion.

You use the label itself as a weapon, and you do project gender stereotypes on the label, and it is disingenuous to pretend otherwise.

We're only using these gamete based definitions because you're denying the existence of biological sex, and instead believe that people can just decide what "gender" they are and it has nothing at all to do with biological sex, and it's a total coincidence that so many "woman" brains ended up in those large gamete bodies who have been oppressed by small gamete people for millennia.

We certainly don't need segregated spaces based on the motility of gametes.

So sayeth a man.

The role includes "sex-based" labels and "sex-based" segregation.

These are parts of the role, which you militantly uphold.

This gets to the nub of it.

Single-sex sports for women, single-sex prisons for women, single-sex rape crisis centres for women may be "role play" for you, but I can assure you for women they are a necessity.

This is the paradox - we've reached the progressive point that on the whole most of the "role" part of the sexes had been eliminated, leaving sex segregation only where truly necessary.

But now those who are desperate for there to be a role play have to try to get themselves into those necessary areas for validation.

And their egos and entitlement are so high they're not even prepared to accept the previous status quo, which was that a very select few men might be permitted into this sort of "witness protection programme" with careful screening and gatekeeping - no, they're insisting that any male be able to enter these spaces on demand. That was never going to fly.

I don't see how having which gamete would be relevant outside of gamete-related healthcare anyhow.

We don't need our social identities to be based on the motility of our gametes. We certainly don't need segregated spaces based on the motility of gametes.

By your definition of "mixed sex"? Yes. There should be no discrimination against trans women.

That wasn't what I asked. My definition of mixed sex is a space that males and females can both use. I didn't use a narrow definition of any kind in my question, but I realise you might want to avoid it.

Man" is not a role, any more than a "woman" is.

That's the entire point of our belief.

It's a statement of biology and nothing more. A man (male human) can play any role. But they can't be female, any more than they can be a dog.

Exactly. Lekisa's perspective is founded on a whole host of gender and identity based assumptions, that I doubt they are even aware of.

The gender critical position is simple. Man is just an adult human of the male sex, and sex is important in some circumstances, some of these are such that even the most fervent genderist can't reasonably deny.

Oh, and obviously, medical context should still avoid using gendered terms to refer to physical characteristics. That's kind of the point of the trans-inclusive language you lash out over so much.

Lekisa658 what words would you use to describe the class of organisms with immobile gametes and those with motile gametes? What words would you use to define these groups specifically in humans?

Physical characteristics should still be accounted for in medical context, but besides that N O T H I N G should have trans-exclusionary "sex-based" segregation in place.

Lekisa = kimilybob??

Do you think everything should be fully mixed sex?

These are parts of the role, which you militantly uphold.