Don’t bother applying for a job if you think people can’t change sex, NHS trust tells health official

Nah, not really feeling up for it. Since I know I'd be wasting my time breaking down a complex subject for nothing, only for you to pigeon-chess it.

I would bet my house that you're not going to produce anything which makes sense outside of your internet bubble of gender ideologues.

Which we both know you don't.

However, you DO realise that discrimination is not always negative. And that females require discrimination to be enacted for their safety, for fairness in sports, and because sometimes job roles require a female person or a male person in cases when sex matters. Plus, discrimination is also required for situations where one group is being recognised for their achievements, in overcoming past discrimination. Such as for people of a particular ethnicity or race in a particular country. Or for rewarding children for instance. Or for rewarding a person with a disability.

It still doesn't mean that a male should be treated as a female where it counts.

So, YES!! Absolutely males will be excluded when it is recognised to cause harm to females.

Not sure why you think that is controversial.

No transitioned male should even be included in an award that has been set up to advance females (of whatever gender) in situations where they have in the past experienced sexist discrimination that has meant their achievements are not given the same value as males.

And I don't care what age that male is. Even a male child being raised now has had some benefits that female children have not had, sometimes due to peer group pressure. Only someone who is determinedly blind to this or lives in utopia (not the UK) can deny this.

Again, it is not controversial.

Trans people experience different discrimination and they absolutely need their own protections to rectify this. If they are not female, they should be excluded where it matters.

Gumbomambo

WBH? is that really necessary?

Personally I think it's really rude, privileged, ableist and gatekeeping to hold the knowledge about how to find out whether you are a man or woman, and refuse to tell people who ask. Exclusionary, unkind and discriminating.

Can anyone remember the weetabix recipe?

This is what we gender critical posters are talking about.

The absurdity, the total bobbins ideology that makes can be females if they just say they want to be.

Within all the to'ing and fro'ing, the court cases, the legal challenges THIS is what we are fighting against.

I doubt you will see the ludicrousness as plainly as this: it is discrimination to object to any man using any female space.

With no further thought required. This is gender ideology writ large!

Saying you are a woman is identifying as a woman.

How can I find out whether I am a woman or a man (or both or neither) @Lekisa658?

I need a definition of what a woman is so that I know whether I am one. Can you help?

Saying you are a woman is identifying as a woman. You share that identity with trans women.

No and no.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/notes/division/3/16/20/7

'Gender reassignment:paragraph 28

Effect

739.This paragraph contains an exception to the general prohibition of gender reassignment discrimination in relation to the provision of separate- and single-sex services. Such treatment by a provider has to be objectively justified.'

(I am muttering Bunbury, Bunbury, Bunbury to myself - it's not helping!)

The exemptions can include MTF trans people, but it's left up to service providers.

You literally kept making inappropriate inquiries about my mother, and made up fictional scenarios written to paint trans women as sexual predators.

"I" have never asked about your mother. I don't care who your mother is. I can be assured though, as can every single person on this planet, that your mother was female. Nothing else about your mother is relevant to this discussion.

However, you inability to acknowledge that a mother will always be female is very much the issue at hand.

I on the other hand, have been asking you all day to start providing evidence for your continued emotionally manipulative posts.

Do you have anything of interest to contribute to the threads you are on? Or are you running out of the tired old trope that you seem to think is new and compelling, that we see every fucking week?

If you are simply here to shame posters on a feminist board for holding a range of views that revolve around the fact that sex is immutable, then I am sure you have realised that we have seen it all before. And that no, you don't seem to have anything new to contribute except the live demonstration of extreme trans activist views that we have been told by regular transitioned male and female posters on this board are NOT representative of the trans community.

So, really you are only even representing a small subset of trans people that really seems very extreme.

[quote Lekisa658]@SamphiretheStickerist

identify

1. establish or indicate who or what (someone or something) is.

Saying "I am a woman" is identifying as a woman.[/quote]
Erm... No. It doesn't work like that. I don't have to establish my sex every time I wake up, or meet a new person. At birth my sex is recognised, recorded, I AM.

The material fact of my femaleness is unchanging.

Everything about my personality is up for change. As are my thoughts and opinions.

But my sex simply is.

You can argue this until blue in the face. But as you are intentionally misusing any number of words you won't get farther than the end of your own nose.

No there aren't. There are no specific directions in the Equality Act to include any males in women's spaces.

I genuinely have no idea if I'm a woman or not, as no-one will do me the courtesy of telling me how I'm supposed to find out. So I don't 'share' that, as far as I know.

(I'd ask Bunbury, but she's advising on other matters)

Gosh, lots of deleted messages here. Hope none of them had the "correct" definition of woman we're all supposed to be subscribing to - I've waited for years for someone to provide that, hope I haven't missed it!

Does anyone know if there's any update on the article in the OP - is a review being initiated?

You're the ones who make up fictional scenarios to vilify trans people, you are the ones arguing trans women should be excluded from everything to do with women on the basis of your prejudices against them

Transwomen don't belong in woman-only spaces or sports because they are not women. This is nothing to do with 'prejudice' or 'vilification' of trans people. It's because they are male. All other males are also excluded.

And that is discrimination. What's not clicking?

Read the law. There are sex based exemptions provided for especially for these scenarios.

Excluding trans women is discrimination. It's really that simple. "Sex-based" discrimination is discrimination, even if you agree with it.

Yes, knowing what sex you are isn't the same thing as a male person identifying as a woman.