Transracial vs transgender

Just to add, about the 69-year-old trans-ager, he 'felt' young. His doctor had told him he had the physique of a much younger man. Hmmm, those 'feelings' again.

But the judge wasn’t having it. One of the judges wanted to know what would become of the 20 years that Mr Ratelband wanted to erase. "Who were your parents looking after then? Who was that little boy?" he was quoted as saying.

Indeed. The past matters. What a surprise that we can’t just erase the person we were, and indeed still are.

[quote ScrollingLeaves]Here is the darling child:

www.google.co.uk/search?q=man+identifies+as+a+child&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari[/quote]
OMFG
Grotesque 🤮

It wasn’t that long ago that a 69-year-old man brought a legal case to be recognised officially as a 49-year-old. He thought it would help him get better jobs and also improve his chances on Tinder if he magically became 49. He specifically quoted the example of being transgender as part of his reason for doing it.

He lost the case.

I've read elsewhere that said he didn’t think it ought to be allowed the other way - so you couldn’t claim to be 20 years older and claim your pension early. Why not, though, if you’re going to spout this sort of nonsense?

Clearly the whole thing is cut from the same cloth. As you say, OP... Well indeed because if transgender is ok, why not trans anything?

My kids are mixed race (white and my ethnicity). One of them said once that he would like to be white in U.K. and my ethnicity in my home country. I was surprised that there was an Olympic medalist that also expressed these sentiments (not intending for surgery or anything, just discussing identity) - perhaps there is a desire to fit in? I told my son that it wasn’t possible to change and it’s important for him to know for medical reasons (can affect probability of disease etc - and affect diagnosis). He’s fine - it was just a passing thought, but I would like him to grow up to be happy with himself - not wishing to be taller or whiter or whatever.

Also, just because something has a genetic component doesn’t mean we should follow 1 course or another. Some psychiatric conditions like depression, some types of dementia, schizophrenia have a genetic component.

IMO Blackness can be separated into skin pigmentation and culture.Pigmentation is physical. Non-blacks can tan but can never naturally be as dark. In regards to culture, there is a range of cultures associated with Blacks; each country in Africa has a distinct culture, as do each Caribbean nation as do Blacks in America and elsewhere.

Dolezal so strongly identifies with Black culture she self-identifies as Black which is my opinion is fine as long as she understands she can't demand citizenship in an African or Caribbean nation or take a position in an organization that has been set aside for Blacks.

The same split applies to sex and gender. If men self-identify as women and want to wear female clothing etc that is fine but they should not have the right to demand access to female spaces or take positions in organizations etc that have been set aside for females.

Wokes would reject my position because they not only believe there is such a thing as cultural appropriation which in their minds is tantamount to a crime against humanity but also believe there is nothing wrong with what amounts to gender appropriation.

This is a blatant contradiction.Another contradiction is that in regards to race, race and culture in their minds are inseparable so someone can't claim to be Black simply because they deeply identify with the culture. Unfortunately for women they do not believe that sex and gender is likewise inseparable so if a male identifies his gender as woman, the reality of sex disappears and he magically transforms completely into that category of existence.

Here is the darling child:

www.google.co.uk/search?q=man+identifies+as+a+child&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari

There was someone who was trans age. A middle aged man of 6. It was on a thread on mumsnet a while back.

The difference is that ALL people of colour have gone "whoa, not having that" whereas a lot of women/men have accepted transgender.

There is no genetic component.

There are people frantically trying to twist things far enough to find one but the sole aim really is to permit male people to have whatever they want without female people getting to argue back. That's it. That's all. That's the bottom line.

Hold on to your hat for trans-age. It will come. It will be inarguable because of the appalling precedents that appallingly stupid people have permitted to happen on their watch, and anyone who thinks happiness and rainbows and glitter will lie in the future of all this is even stupider than the politicians are.

I went on some training once that talked about race as what is imposed in someone based on their appearance and ethnicity as more like a cultural identity. I think though that your ethnicity is usually closely linked to your race and it is rightly not acceptable to identify as an ethnicity where you don't have that cultural background or experience as being treated as that race/ethnicity.
I'm sceptical about the biological basis for transgender stuff. It reminds me of all those scientists who used to say women's brains were 'hard-wired' for child-rearing/cleaning/ironing.

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OP
On a basic level, I wonder where the hordes of suicidal closeted trans kids were when I was growing up in the 80s.

well, exactly. This, and the very strange epidemiology of the trans phenomenon (affecting vastly more teenage girls than boys, and yet middle aged female transitioners are very rare), strongly supports that this is a cultural phenomena, not a biological one.“

In regard to the trans phenomenon increasingly affecting teenage girls, the following offers some insights into how cultural the influences are on them.

By Any Other Name - by Helena - prude posting

lacroicsz.substack.com/p/by-any-other-name?utm_source=url
lacroicsz.substack.com/p/by-any-other-name?utm_campaign=post&utm_source=url

OP
On a basic level, I wonder where the hordes of suicidal closeted trans kids were when I was growing up in the 80s.

well, exactly. This, and the very strange epidemiology of the trans phenomenon (affecting vastly more teenage girls than boys, and yet middle aged female transitioners are very rare), strongly supports that this is a cultural phenomena, not a biological one.

Most of the "science" here is basically bollocks. If you find something in male brains, it's not female, is it, by definition?

You can see some variations, but they're correlated with sexuality, not transness. Homosexuality is real cross-sex behaviour. But it doesn't make gay men women.

Where you see an correlation with trans, it's due to sexuality. Control for sexuality, it isn't there.

(This is staggeringly unsurprising to me, as observationally it's clear there is some statistical cross-sex behaviour in homosexuals, but heterosexual trans people couldn't be more extreme in behaving like their own sex.)

There was some stuff on this via Emma Hilton the other day:
twitter.com/FondOfBeetles/status/1496190823226089479

If you ever wanted to know why sexuality needs to be confounded for in studies on transgender individuals, then this study perfect illustrates this

The only time trans people show sex atypical cerebral differentiation is when the cohort is homosexual.

(That got the author suspended from Twitter for hateful conduct!)

Some science stuff on gender dysphoria:

twitter.com/FondOfBeetles/status/1496193962901659662

Transgender individuals have been shown to have weaker structural and functional connectivity within the “default mode network (DMN)” of the brain, which is vital in body perception/image and concepts about “the self”.

There is no 'genetic component' or biological component to being transgender. And being 'transgender' is not one thing. It may be a feeling of not fitting the cultural stereotypes associated with your sex, it may be an expression of deep psychological distress (stemming from other causes), it may be a sexual fetish. What it isn't is any kind of innate biological phenomenon, there is no 'true trans', only individuals with different explanations of how they have come to their trans identities.
I find the comparison with 'trans race' fascinating. For one thing, race actually is a spectrum, and is much less easily defined than sex. Its totally illogical that 'trans race' is beyond the pale, while 'trans gender' is
I could imagine different types people coming to want to be 'trans race' in the same way that there are different types of people identifying as trans.
I have a lot of sympathy for Rachel Dolezal, as her feelings are clearly genuine, and stem from trauma. But I also have a lot of sympathy for an effeminate little boy brought up in a homophobic environment (particularly with an abusive, homophobic father) who grows up to be a homosexual transwoman. I imagine there are some black people who would take a pill to make them white, as they can see the world would treat them better if they were white, rather like teenage girls developing ROGD.
And given that males will fetishize anything, there are probably men with fetishes about being black. I suspect if there were more of them, there wouldn't be such a difference in social attitudes to the two phenomena.

I you aware of the Rebecca Tuval / Hypatia controversy? IIRC, she was a philosopher who wrote on a paper on this very subject - pondering what the difference was - and she and the journal got a lot of flak.

As I understand it the controversy was that she simply dared to raise the question...

Has anyone got a reference to any good articles on that?

I see no difference between the two concepts either. I can understand why people may feel like they want to 'identify out of' their sex or race, but neither are possible.

I watched The Rachel Divide too and found it incredibly sad. I feel very sorry for her, but also fully understand why people of colour feel insulted and disgusted by her claims. 'Black' is not a costume that you get to put on and take off by changing your hairstyle and your skintone, but neither is 'woman' or 'female' and yet many people expect us to just go along with it