Scotland introducing GRA bill 3rd March

I don't see the point in believing there should be another referendum about Scotlands independence, when no such referendum is permitted to the 50% of the electorate having their legal rights stripped to benefit the other 50% and being reduced to a subordinate position in access and equality, plus being wholly and unilaterally redefined. Again, to benefit the other 50%.

Democracy not really a thing for the SNP, they are a bloody scary lot for women.

My only hope is that this will enrage people so much that they will turn against the snp in future elections.

Thing is if people really want an independent Scotland they will continue to vote SNP. The SNP know this which is why they are determined to force this through even though it may do them some harm in the short term. Once self ID is voted through I can't see it ever being changed back. If they do it now it avoids it being a election matter. We've seen how damaging it has been for Labour, Lib Dems and Greens when it is discussed pre-election or pre leadership selection. This is a canny (if undemocratic) move by the SNP. They won't have to answer the question "what is a Women?" during their election campaign.

The Scottish Government will continue to uphold the rights and protections that women and girls currently have under the Equality Act."

Bollocks.

is the short response to that.

Cause for hope here? ScotGov doesn't have the authority to change the GRA? (Is this the fight they actually want? Bad WM stopping us lovely lot at Holyrood rhetoric)

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In the next few years, as all this starts to bite, women having the vote is going to become very, very inconvenient. We've already had NI's call to remove political representation for women who won't do what men want.

Let's not joke about these things. The sheer depth of misogyny embedded in the UK is revealed ever more clearly.

SNP are totally captured and totally out of control. I will never accept a man in female spaces regardless of how he identifies

Ah, thanks OldCrone

But self id being forced in is obviously really bad

So presumably, if a spouse isn't happy with the GRC they can just divorce at that point.

What am I missing?

Read this:
makemorenoisemanc.wixsite.com/mysite/post/trans-widows-and-the-spousal-veto-a-modern-fable-of-male-entitlement

Many women cannot get divorced due to religious or cultural reasons so this provision enables them to have an escape route from the marriage. Even when women can divorce, without the consent of their husband it can take five years.

More details about the problems for women of removing this clause at the link.

@Slothtoes if I remember correctly the current grc ast in Scotland doesn't have a spousal veto

I don't really understand why the spousal veto is seen as so significant (on both sides). The UK allows no-fault divorce, and I'm pretty sure I've heard that divorce settlements don't depend on the cause of the divorce.

So presumably, if a spouse isn't happy with the GRC they can just divorce at that point.

What am I missing?

We see you, SNP. We see you blame all your shit decisions on Westminster, evade and shirk responsibility for every failure, we see you constantly defensively attack other people and never, ever admit your own failings, blindspots and weaknesses.

This. Absolutely this. Spineless Scottish Labour not doing a whole lot better, though,

Sorry to raise a false alarm, I just checked, the Divorce, Dissolution and Separation Act 2020 will apply in England and Wales only.
That Act is what the government is using to ‘remove’ the spousal veto from GRA, as Mike Freer the Equalities Minister said in debate recently. He didn’t specify in the debate that this removal was limited geographically though.

So where does that leave the rest of the UK? And could English and Welsh women bring a case, I wonder, if the rest of the UK is still retaining this legal right?

We have a toothless media and spineless MSPs. I'm despairing at the lack of scrutiny and retreating into my place of comfort where I know my loved ones are unlikely to be affected... but that's really not the point.

Fuckers.

I don't even know what to say about this. I don't have the energy for it some days. This is just awful, and it seems completely hopeless and inevitable.

Best option would be to remove the vote from women with troublesome opinions, probably.

I'm utterly furious about this. How can they (sturgeon ) ignore women's voices like this and claim to be feminist.

My only hope is that this will enrage people so much that they will turn against the snp in future elections.

Unfortunately Scotland was always going to be an example to the rest of the country.

Still, this raises the question of whether Westminster will take the Scotgov to court again where their lawmaking has crossed the line, as they did with recent legislation on rights of the child.

Cynics might say this gives the SNP another chance to cry about how WM imposes its will on Scotland, although tbh I think most people see through this tactic now. It's more a case of how many pieces of shittily thought through legislation have been scrapped, amended or struck down because the SNP just will not listen to any criticism, constructive or otherwise.

We see you, SNP. We see you blame all your shit decisions on Westminster, evade and shirk responsibility for every failure, we see you constantly defensively attack other people and never, ever admit your own failings, blindspots and weaknesses.

May elections will be interesting.

I'm really not looking forward to the clogging up / decease of the Scottish NHS for all that top and bottom surgery, plus future attempts to undo or treat some of the damage.

No, I don't think there's any reason to hope.