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If you’re non binary, why do you chose the girls changing area?

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HoliHormonalTigerlilly · 21/02/2022 13:42

And not the mens...?

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DdraigGoch · 24/02/2022 00:26

@334bu

How many organisations do you know that alliw men to share accommodation with 11 year old girls, even when there is no emergency? Any man requesting this should be viewed with suspicion.
As I say, ANY adult sharing with cadets was verboten.
334bu · 23/02/2022 11:59

How many organisations do you know that alliw men to share accommodation with 11 year old girls, even when there is no emergency? Any man requesting this should be viewed with suspicion.

DdraigGoch · 23/02/2022 11:25

@AsTreesWalking

Does anyone else think it strange for ANY of the adult leaders to bunk withvthe children on a trip? I mean, why would you? This has never happened on any (a lot!) school/scouts/church trips I have been involved in. Is it usual in the USA?
Really odd. I was in a youth organisation which had provision for mixed-sex accommodation in extremis, which would be authorised by a senior officer when there was no other choice - sometimes happened on sail training ships.

Instructors (of either sex) directly sharing accommodation with cadets on the other hand was banned. It was something that must never happen.

AmandaHoldensLips · 23/02/2022 09:15

What a load of old shit. I have absolutely no time for anyone who wants to be known as plural (they/them/twat).

334bu · 23/02/2022 09:11

I believe it is the norm in the USA. However, the point here is that biological males chose to request to share with 11year old girls and this was permitted as they are " non binary" , because this appears to override any safeguarding rules regarding men sharing sleeping accommodation , showers etc with 11 year old girls. Hmm

AsTreesWalking · 23/02/2022 08:38

Does anyone else think it strange for ANY of the adult leaders to bunk withvthe children on a trip? I mean, why would you? This has never happened on any (a lot!) school/scouts/church trips I have been involved in. Is it usual in the USA?

Findwen · 21/02/2022 22:13

I cannot understand when people declare they are non-binary, since it seems to me they are binary.

I am male. I have always been male since my fathers sperm fused with my mothers egg. I was born male, recorded as male on my birth cert, I have always expressed myself in a male way and consider myself male since I had the means to consider myself at all. That is at no time has my sex or gender been anything other than male/masculine.

Since I have always since conception been in a single state -- no binary time, only ever one option. Mono if you like - but never binary, I can only conclude that I am non-binary,

However non-binary has always been described to me as someone that feels inbetween... surely that is a binary state, switching from one to the other.

I am left confused.

FrancescaContini · 21/02/2022 22:11

@TheWeeDonkey

The fact that non binary is a thing shows just how narrow a view genderists have.

Expectations of women and men vary vastly between countries, faiths and even socio-economic groups.

I don't understand how supposedly intelligent people fall for it.

Me neither.
FemaleAndLearning · 21/02/2022 22:02

It was a genuine question given the other thread about camp leaders. But also girls is often used to mean women.
Do you have a link to the Twitter, will be interesting to take a look.

HoliHormonalTigerlilly · 21/02/2022 21:41

@FemaleAndLearning

Non binary is not male or female so they should use the unisex changing room! By girls do you mean young female humans or adult human females?
I took the question from Twitter earlier today.

You are absolutely right it should say women's not girl's!

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Zerogravity · 21/02/2022 20:12

genderism is a power play undertaken most usually by those who are already amongst the most privileged in society and is designed to launder that privilege, amongst other things
That is a really clear way of putting it. Thanks.

butnobodytoldme · 21/02/2022 18:10

If you have 'xy' chromosomes, go where the other 'xy's' are, and if they stare at you, or frighten you, or hurt your feelings, or even appear to dislike your clothes, then you must just tell them to stop it at once and be kind to you.
A poster recently explained he chose to live and dress as if he was a woman, but knew of course he never would be, so when he went into men's loos or changing rooms, he fully expected a few stares, but shrugged it off and would never dream of going into the women's spaces.

SunniDelite · 21/02/2022 17:44

Sorry, that's a bit off the subject of blokes in women's spaces.....

SunniDelite · 21/02/2022 17:42

DGD's pronouns are they/them. In reality she is a beautiful tall teenage girl with a (fairly new) large bust that she likes to squash. It's heartbreaking that she can't be proud to be a young woman.

Woahthehorsey · 21/02/2022 17:16

I only know non-binary females, and they don't feel safe in male spaces.

terryleather · 21/02/2022 17:01

@SunniDelite

"Non-binary" is a joke. There is no way that I would ever accept that someone is neither-male-nor-female. The absolute conceit of people who want to force everyone to deny the evidence of their eyes. I'd love one of our lurkers of the TR persuasion to explain to us what it actually is....
Once again for those not paying attention (don't mean you SunniGrin), genderism is a power play undertaken most usually by those who are already amongst the most privileged in society and is designed to launder that privilege, amongst other things.

It should be resisted at every turn.

TheWeeDonkey · 21/02/2022 16:51

The fact that non binary is a thing shows just how narrow a view genderists have.

Expectations of women and men vary vastly between countries, faiths and even socio-economic groups.

I don't understand how supposedly intelligent people fall for it.

BlibBlabBlob · 21/02/2022 16:39

conform not confirm!

BlibBlabBlob · 21/02/2022 16:38

I am 'non-binary' because I don't understand gender. Because I don't confirm wholly (or even mostly) to female gender stereotypes. According to the transgender awareness training session I went on, these things make me non-binary and trans.

But I'm 44 and have far better things to worry about than gender woo, so I don't actually classify MYSELF as non-binary. I am female. I use the changing room that matches my biological sex. And in the vast majority of cases, so should everyone else.

FemaleAndLearning · 21/02/2022 16:19

An advert came on my FB feed for a women's and non binary festival. I asked the question is that "non binary females?". You can guess what happened I immediately got called a TERF and then someone said "yes for all marginalised genders". I took that to meant men and said so and that I'd give it a miss as I wanted a male free environment as I was a victim of male abuse. To which the one who called me a terf said "good". Very tolerant! Goes to show words can mean anything you want them to mean.

334bu · 21/02/2022 16:17

Male not make.Blush

334bu · 21/02/2022 16:16

These male born counsellors who identify as non binary, mentioned in above article chose to share sleeping accommodation with 10 - 11 year old girls(5th graders in USA) Parents were not told in advance that there was a possibility that make bodied adults would be sharing quarters with their daughters.
Personally I would consider this a 🚩

nancybotwinbloom · 21/02/2022 16:07

What toilet or changing room are people Who say they are non binary supposed to use?

Is it whatever sex they are? I mean that would be my answer?

My head is pickled after so many teams calls today and I came on her for light relief. My head is still picked.

Fairislefandango · 21/02/2022 15:59

The problem is, when people say they are non-binary, this seems to be able to mean anything ranging from 'I honestly believe I am neither male nor female' to 'I'm a very unique and special person' to 'I am a female (or a male) person but I choose to reject sex-based stereotypes and for some reason believe that makes me belong to a whole different (non-existent) sex category' to 'I'm a woman, but sometimes I wear jeans and a t-shirt instead of a dress' Hmm so, like almost all women then?

In any case, male people shouldn't be in the female changing area, whatever they believe they are in their own head.

TurquoiseBaubles · 21/02/2022 15:57

Because everyone uses the fucking women's.

All women, all children, all older adults who have women with them as carers (so far so good), men who want to be women, men who are dressed as women, men who don't want to go to the men's (I'm talking about you, random man at the theatre who wanted to go "with his friends"), men whose "gender" isn't manly enough, and anyone who is dressed up as a caricature of a woman on a Saturday night out Angry

Sorry, I'm a tad angry. I've just returned from a weekend where I queued for the loo everyfuckingwhere I went. Airport, bus station, restaurant, museum, theatre, every place I went to I stood in a queue while a dozen men whooshed in and out the door beside me.

To be fair, pretty much all of those waiting were the usual cunty type of women. But adding more to our queues and reducing those for the men's is just bloody infuriating.