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"Why I stopped being a good girl" by Hadley Freeman

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spacehardware · 21/02/2022 12:22

It's a long read but Hadley deconstructs the issues, and all the "this is like homophobia/racism/you're a right wing schill" nonsense (honestly the TRAs must share Cliffs Notes) brilliantly.

unherd.com/2022/02/why-i-stopped-being-a-good-girl/

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MangyInseam · 23/02/2022 22:02

@JustSpeculation

So sensitivity readers are censors really. Reminds me of Humbert Wolfe's:

You cannot hope to bribe or twist
thank God, the British Journalist.
but seeing what the man will do
Unbribed, there's no occasion to.

It's very insidious.

And it's happening in a lot of areas. had the thread on Clanchy the other day, Another example - the reason Jonathan Kaye left The Walrus was because he was not allowed to publish a piece he had commissioned by Cree author Thompson Highway about his experience in residential schools, as it didn't fit the narrative their readers and sponsors expected. That's a major magazine that's supposed to offer high level reading, and an essay by one of the foremost indigenous authors on the continent.

You start to wonder, how much of what we read is being highly curated.

candycane222 · 23/02/2022 21:34

Belatedly popping in to say - wonderful article, really wonderful. Thank you spacehardware for sharing

Stopsnowing · 22/02/2022 20:49

Excellent article. She is such a good writer.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 22/02/2022 19:06

Good follow-up about the Unherd piece in Daily Mail:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10537957/Guardian-columnist-Hadley-Freeman-takes-swipe-left-wing-media-capitulating-trans-rights.html

JustSpeculation · 22/02/2022 18:25

So sensitivity readers are censors really. Reminds me of Humbert Wolfe's:

You cannot hope to bribe or twist
thank God, the British Journalist.
but seeing what the man will do
Unbribed, there's no occasion to.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 22/02/2022 18:12

@DontLikeCrumpets, the words of Hadley Freeman in the article. unherd.com/2022/02/why-i-stopped-being-a-good-girl/

Occasionally a professional peer would send a text saying that they agreed with me, but they couldn’t say so publicly because their editor wouldn’t like it, or their teenage kids would shout at them, or it was just too stressful.

and

An editor said it to a friend of mine when she wanted to look at the effect of puberty blockers on gender dysphoric children (“I know, I know, but we want to be on the right side of history…”), and a US magazine editor said it to me when I asked if I could interview Martina Navratilova about her views on trans athletes: “I know what you’re saying, and I’m on your side, really I am. But you have to wonder what the right side of history is,” he said.

and

When I wanted to write for a magazine about the vilification of JK Rowling, I was told no, because it would cause “too much of a Twitter storm”. A friend wanted to put together a book of collected gender-critical essays, but an editor told her “the Twitter kickback would be too strong, and it wouldn’t get past the sensitivity readers anyway”.

and

... there was a period, about three years ago, when I honestly thought about quitting my job. I felt so hated for saying things — things that are scientifically, biologically and factually true — and so unsupported by people who I know secretly agree with me but are too scared to say so out loud that I nearly left journalism. Well, I didn’t. Instead, I decided to stop being so frustrated by it all, and to stop taking what is going on in the progressive media circles and institutions so personally. For so long, I defined myself as a Left-wing journalist, but political categories are watery these days, and I’m OK with feeling out of step from so many people I once thought of as my side. I know they see things differently from me and I fully support their right to express their views; that feeling, I know all too well, is not mutual.

DontLikeCrumpets · 22/02/2022 18:01

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

What is the basis for you claiming the Guardian only pays lip service to trans issues?

DomesticatedZombie · 22/02/2022 11:18

it's not clear whether he was going on to say it's "not correct", or he was suggesting it's morally wrong to say it (because it upsets people?)

So either he's going with 'it's factually incorrect' or it's 'morally wrong'.

Would be great if he could clarify. I mean, either way it's pretty shocking.

Marr:... to say that only women have a cervix?

Starmer: It is something that shouldn't be said. It is not right.

Why, Keir? Why?

NotBadConsidering · 22/02/2022 10:52

Hadley definitely did NOT sign that letter, to reiterate Floisme’s post before the idea she might have takes hold. These are the people that did:

www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sr64n9

Pluvia · 22/02/2022 10:14

Hadley's right. She always has been.

Where's Katharine Viner in all this?

Floisme · 22/02/2022 09:45

I wonder if she was one of the signatures denouncing Suzanne Moore?
No she was not. Suzanne has also said that Hadley publicly stood up for her at a staff meeting.

Childrenofthestones · 22/02/2022 09:42

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

Oh good, I was going to post a link to that, but you got there first. Very pleased indeed to see this from Hadley Freeman. I don't know how she can bear to be at The Guardian surrounded by people who pay lip service to gender ideology but don't really believe it. The Guardian used to pride itself on its journalistic standards and independence. What happened?
"I don't know how she can bear to be at The Guardian surrounded by people who pay lip service to gender ideology but don't really believe it. "

A mortgage probably. I wonder if she was one of the signatures denouncing Suzanne Moore?
BTW, Moore has a great piece today on pg 21 of the Telegraph slamming the New York Times advert " Lianna is imagining Harry Potter without its creator "

loislovesstewie · 22/02/2022 09:33

Well done that woman! Off topic slightly but am I the only person cross at that hair dye ad? The one where Stacey twirls with the girls? One of the 'girls' she is having coffee with (or something) is either a cross dresser or drag queen! I mean can ANYONE now be female??
Are we going to call everyone a woman now by stealth? Because it's just not on!

spacehardware · 22/02/2022 09:12

Blair was spot on last week about all this.

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spacehardware · 22/02/2022 09:12

"so it's not clear whether he was going on to say it's "not correct", or he was suggesting it's morally wrong to say it (because it upsets people?)"

Either way, it doesn't inspire confidence. It suggests cowardice

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Floisme · 22/02/2022 09:11

I'm glad she's called out the Times, I was uncomfortable about the way they used their headline to suggest her article was specifically about the Guardian (without actually saying so of course). I read her piece as being about the cowardice and laziness of the left, of public institutions and above all, of her own profession. That's much bigger than her own struggles at The Guardian (with which I really sympathise) or any circulation war with the Times.

Schmoozer · 22/02/2022 08:47

Very good
Article - love it 👍

NecessaryScene · 22/02/2022 08:44

I don't believe Keir starmer, a bloody QC, actually believes it is "not correct" to say only women have a cervix.

I dug up to check the precise transcript, cos I've seen this phrased various ways:

Marr: Is it transphobic to say that only women have a cervix?

Starmer: It is something that shouldn't be said. It is not right... But Andrew, I don't think that...

Marr: So Rosie Duffield should not have said that. Can you explain to people watching why she should not have said that?

Starmer: Well, Andrew, I don't think that we can just go through various things that people have said.

He didn't quite finish the thought - he kind of tried to change tack after "not right" - maybe realising what he was saying - so it's not clear whether he was going on to say it's "not correct", or he was suggesting it's morally wrong to say it (because it upsets people?)

WarriorN · 22/02/2022 08:39

[quote McDuffy]Hadley is in the Times today.

Guardian columnist Hadley Freeman says left-wing media bows down to trans bullies

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/26028b74-9333-11ec-9aec-82f0032d4cd3?shareToken=fe93b70b3898666d14a00ff041f21be7[/quote]
She's said this misrepresents her.

twitter.com/hadleyfreeman/status/1495827707632001030?s=21

"Why I stopped being a good girl" by Hadley Freeman
WarriorN · 22/02/2022 08:37

She's on fire at the moment!

GoIntoTheLight · 22/02/2022 08:23

Bloody well done, Hadley. I do hope you lurk here so you can see the support.

I have supported the Guardian for a long time but have stopped my subscription over this shit. Can I just pay you directly instead please Hadley?

savehannah · 22/02/2022 07:55

Such a great article

spacehardware · 22/02/2022 07:51

I didn't vote at the last general election and unless labour sorts itself out, I won't vote at the next one either

I don't believe Keir starmer, a bloody QC, actually believes it is "not correct" to say only women have a cervix. It's possible David Lammy is stupid enough to think trans women grow a cervix, jury's still out.

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EdithStourton · 22/02/2022 07:51

Oh, and to add to the irony, our local LibDems have a blog post up about how 'we must unite as our rights are under attack!!'

This is the (well, okay, a,) party that doesn't give a shit about natal women and their rights, and is quite happy to lose members who complain about this policy stance.

EdithStourton · 22/02/2022 07:48

[quote McDuffy]Hadley is in the Times today.

Guardian columnist Hadley Freeman says left-wing media bows down to trans bullies

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/26028b74-9333-11ec-9aec-82f0032d4cd3?shareToken=fe93b70b3898666d14a00ff041f21be7[/quote]
She's not wrong, is she?

I feel so let down by the Left and the centre. Betrayed, deceived, and completely shafted.

I'm not sure how I'm ever going to bring myself to vote for any of them again.