Non binary camp councelor shares cabin with fifth grade girls (Calefornia)

Not sure how their confidentiality laws work IntermittentParps. Here, although schools would be unlikely to share that information about their staff with parents before a trip, the staff wouldn't be sharing bedrooms with children.
On the other hand the UK Girl Guides are explicit that the rights of men who self identify as women matter far more than any tedious safeguarding needs of girls for privacy or safety from men.

If girls and women are made to feel unsafe they'll stop doing things - so for gyms and sport facilites it's a diminished market fewer customers so likely prices will go up for remaining customers - men - and your fairly quickly into a death spiral and no-one gets to do these things.

As PP says if there are this lax with safeguarding girls could I really be sure they'd be better with my son.

IntermittentParps
From the article
Camp Pali assistant director Emmi Tiege said in a statement: “Per California law, we place staff in cabins they identify with.”

It's worrying how this diminishing of safeguarding is enabling adults with no boundaries to thrive. On a school trip there are always discussions about where adults sleep in relation to children (supervision etc). In this case these adult born males self identifying as n b must have expressed their preference for sleeping with 9 / 10 year old girls and nobody in charge was prepared to tell them no.

That's a terrifying abdication of basic safeguarding principles. Listening to the parents in that clip trying desperately not to get it wrong, just stating that they wanted to know in advance so they could make decisions - too scared to say that this is completely unacceptable.

@helpfulperson Yes, I think in the US it's very usual to have 'counsellors' in the accommodation - but always sharing with young people of the same sex. I think these are almost always older adolescents or very young adults - all those UK students who used to go over to do 'Camp America' (is that still a thing?) So these non binary males may or may not be over 18 themselves. Not that it makes it any more acceptable - it's a very clear statement to abusers that this is a scenario where norms and rules which are usually there to protect children are being set aside. And abusers all start somewhere.

I find it very hard to understand the decision-making process that led to this scenario. These individuals aren't even identifying as female. Surely they should either be with other males (by sex) or neither girls nor boys (as they don't identify with either gender). Were there literally no female counsellors?

It is interesting that safeguarding views and standards vary around the world. In the UK adults should not be sleeping in a space with young people at all. Certainly I know in Anerica camp counsellors sleeping in a cabin is perfectly normal. In some European countries I understand it would be viewed as negligent to have young children sleeping without adults and in other European countries adults and children of all genders can just sleep in a space together. My experience is scouting and you have to be very clear in discussions before events about what the expectations are.

Not sure if this has been shared but it seems to have played on their local News.

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Actually, you wouldn't want adult men sleep sleep in a room with your sons either. Absolutely as vulnerable as your daughters. And what that probably means is no adult should be sharing a room with children

Yeah I thought this is where the behaviour contract thing comes In.

I wonder if this was the norm for these camps before or whether it's new ajd set up for the validation process

Actually, you wouldn't want adult men sleep sleep in a room with your sons either. Absolutely as vulnerable as your daughters. And what that probably means is no adult should be sharing a room with children.

This story reveals one of the central things that is happening: I don’t think it’s a coincidence that we are seeing all these incursions into female-centred, female-empowering places like girls guides and science camps: the TRAs are targeting them deliberately as their aim l, I think, is to stop girls having anything for themselves that lifts them up out of patriarchy and makes them unassailable. It’s no coincidence that all the women-promoting things I loved have been made impossible for me to support any longer.

A good man, however he identifies, would not sleep in a room with young girls.
Imo whoever the non binary person is either doesn't have enough emotional maturity to be a counselor or just doesn't care.

It really is the most profound insanity that people in authority are not just letting, but sanctioning adult men sleeping next to young girls because those men say out loud that they aren't male or female.

I honestly don't know how they have become quite this blind. It really is collective brainwashing.

Like some PPs I'm thinking why the hell is ANY adult sleeping in the same room as the kids!? Any school trip I ever went on the teachers had their own rooms and we had kids only rooms. Wtf is happening to the world!? I'd be fuming if I was the parent of one of these girls

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So what is the difference between a man and a man who now calls they self non binary? As a recent tweet highlighted they don’t change there name, there clothing, there bodies or their privilege.

Nothing,, unless one of them chooses to share sleeping and showering etc accommodation with adolescent girl strangers and then the difference is 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩

I think the non binary ones don't like football, beer or burping contests.

So what is the difference between a man and a man who now calls they self non binary? As a recent tweet highlighted they don’t change there name, there clothing, there bodies or their privilege.

I gather that I'm failing to understand the abyss that separates:
—abuse of the vulnerable by authority figures (e.g., clerical, professional) in the past is now acknowledged to be attributable to major failures in safeguarding
—indistinguishably similar-looking failures in safeguarding of vulnerable people (such as the young) are now to be embraced because in the universe of PoMo perception, such activities are profoundly liberational and pave the way to extending human rights across the age spectrum.

I sense it is only a gulag that will assist me to understand the errors in my comprehension in these matters. And then, I shall also truly learn to thrill to the sound of 13 O'Clock and with -scented tears trickling down my face realise that I truly love Big Sibling.

But if they are non binary, neither male or female, how can they be allocated to the girls. Surely they need their own safe spaces. This really fucks me off. Heterosexual men pretending to be part of the TQ are doing that for one reason only.

This is what we said would happen.
Now it is happening and the powers that be seem to have no interest in stopping it.
It is absurd and dangerous.

and yes it is back to sacred castes again.

and wolves in sheeps clothing hiding in plain sight

sorry that top bit is a qquote