Where can I buy a bra?

VelvetChairGirl

I am not bothered about men being in there, I am bothered about men going in there to put hidden cameras in the changing rooms

Same I have not set foot in any bravissimo stores since they declared they would welcome men in.

OP, have you tried the facebook group 'Boob or Bust'? Good measuring advice on there.

is there a particular type you think should be worried and everyone else talking about it are just looking for attention and hoping to get it from males when they are old and unattractive?

what about fat women or brown ones etc should they not bother about their privacy because in your opinion no man would find them attractive? how does your attitude square up when we are talking about children surely no adult man would find a under age child attractive?

do you see how stupid your comment is yet?

Just an idle google: Bedfordshire. One county. Over 100 reports of voyeurism and flashing in a year. And of course this is just from police reports.

How much goes unreported? How many times have you been flashed - have you reported it? How many times have people spied on you and you weren't aware?

www.biggleswadetoday.co.uk/news/crime/more-than-100-voyeurism-and-flashing-reports-in-bedfordshire-3521546

I'm not trying to scare people, just noting that this is still a thing. No matter how much porn is on the internet. I mean, some of the voyeurism is going to be creating porn for the internet. I daresay porn is more likely to increase this type of crime than decrease it.

@Beth13579 I have already stated that I wouldn’t have a problem with a transwoman in another cubicle but that I cannot consent on behalf of other women.

I have also stated that I will do my daughter’s fitting myself, at no point have I said anything about complaining about trans fitters. I have only pointed out that I want the fitting to be done by a biological female should I want a fitting.

The main problem here are males, especially males who are trying to get access to female spaces. There are male perverts out there, some may claim to be trans in order to get access.

I don’t think anyone wants to see my tits. I do worry about my 12 year old daughter, again there are perverts out there.

You seem to be very supportive of transwomen and I think that is great. If we come across a transwoman fitter, I will let you know. You can then go there, bring your daughter, your sister, your mum and your niece and you could all validate that particular transwoman’s identity. That would be a bigger acts of support than to criticise my personal feelings about biological males or my fears for my own daughter.

There are plenty of tits on the internet for free, no one is bothered about middle aged women trying on beige bras ffs

You sound quite naive. Why do you think non consensual sexual behaviour exists when men can easily satisfy their urges on the internet?

I'm 47 years old, have tried on hundreds (if not thousands) of different items of clothing in changing rooms over the last 35 years and can never once remember being awkward or threatened by others in there (apart from in those awful open plan, communal changing spaces in 1990s Top Shop - yes, I admit they were a bit awkward).

I guess you can see that's a sample size of one though?

you are ignoring the fact the prison population is 77k males and 3k females in this country so criminality is by far and large a male pursuit.

and your faking ignorance of the many many online communities that post images of women about and videos of them without their permission for the titillation of other males.

you are welcome to bury your head in the sand, you have no right to tell other women what their boundaries should be.

It's interesting how posters twist the words. It's not about "trans" anything. It's about not wanting members of the opposite sex there

Interesting how it takes about 2 mins for the racism to come out to. As if black women somehow confused the definition of women so much the next logical step is to let males have it too.

Black women and Jewish women are women. Female like the rest of us women. What they aren't is a man /male

And how dare anyone compare what black people went through to a man/male being told they can't change next to an 11 yr old having a bra fit.

but the threat to your personal wellbeing from any individual transperson is almost zero

The same applies to the male sex as a whole, because the threat posed is exactly the same. Yet we still have single sex spaces.

It's interesting how posters twist the words. It's not about "trans" anything. It's about not wanting members of the opposite sex there.

And if by some tiny chance the fitter is trans and you don't feel comfortable, you can either fit yourself or tell them you've changed your mind about a fitting and leave.
I'd be perfectly happy with a trans or non binary female, it's only a male I would feel uncomfortable with. It's got nothing to do with gender.

Have you never come across the concept that many women want single sex changing rooms, Beth?

And women should have the right to female only changing rooms. This isn't about "gender" it's about sex. Males can be accommodated separately.

And if by some tiny chance the fitter is trans and you don't feel comfortable, you can either fit yourself or tell them you've changed your mind about a fitting and leave.

Everybody has a right to comfortable and supportive underwear - yes, that even includes transwomen.

How many women caught on hidden cameras wouod be considered problematic enough to say male people ahoulsnt be allowed somewhere that 10 + year olds have bras fitted?

Which do you suppose is most likely?

I am not bothered about men being in there, I am bothered about men going in there to put hidden cameras in the changing rooms

But it's ok if a woman puts a hidden camera in the changing rooms?

This thread is bonkers.

M&S once did have an MTF trans bra fitter in one of their London stores. I don't want a male person doing it. I don't want a bog standard man and I don't want to be gaslighted about any other male sex person, either.

There seem to be some posts from "gender critical" posters who seem to not quite understand women's boundaries and need for female only spaces. What do you imagine we've been going on about for years?

There are plenty of tits on the internet for free, no one is bothered about middle aged women trying on beige bras ffs

Are you aware the m&s website was full of men reviewing the underwear. You don't think those men would take advantage of being allowed into the changing area to try the underwear on?