Where can I buy a bra?

dam it, really upset about Bravissimo, have used them for years, buying online, only went into Solihull shop 20 years ago, before all of this unisex

changing room nonsense .
almost want to go to a shop now in order to 'make a scene'

Lol. Surely you don't actually believe that there are women who put up hidden cameras to spy on other women trying on bras?

As long as there are (natal) female sex offenders, then there will be women that have the potential to do that.

It's naivety like yours that is why female sex offenders get away with it. It's why children in a nursery were subject to abuse. Because a woman would never do that, would they?

Ah that’ll be all those predatory lesbians putting cameras in womens changing rooms won’t it

But it's ok if a woman puts a hidden camera in the changing rooms?
Lol. Surely you don't actually believe that there are women who put up hidden cameras to spy on other women trying on bras?

John Lewis saved my life with an excellent fitting. The cabins are private. Just go and treat yourself to a nice bra.

Another incident in Devon. Different swimming pool, different man.

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A Peeping Tom left a 15-year-old swimmer terrified of getting changed when he used a mobile phone to film her over the top of a cubicle.

Edward Smith locked himself in a neighbouring cubicle in the mixed gender changing area as a group of swimmers aged ten to 17 were ending a training session.

He waited for the swimmers to get out and then held his hand up to take photos of the naked girl, who screamed in horror when she spotted his phone.

Smith fled the changing room at the Exe Valley Leisure Centre in Tiverton but police released a grainy CCTV image which led to the 40-year-old farmer being identified and arrested.

Analysts then found images on his phone and computer which proved he had done the same thing at the same swimming pool twice before.

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A victim impact statement from the 15-year-old girl said that swimming used to be her ‘happy place’ but she is now so scared that she insists on having friends in both neighbouring cubicles whenever she changes.

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Police found two other sets of photos on the phone, dating back to August and October 2019. One, which showed a teenage girl, had been retained. Another with a middle-aged woman had been deleted.

www.northdevongazette.co.uk/news/peeping-tom-left-girl-swimmer-scared-changing-room-7988374

Presumably the middle-aged mumsnetters should be reassured and stop finding secret filming to be a horrendous infringement of their dignity, because a voyeuristic man might delete the pictures afterwards, eh?

I used to think it didn't matter who was in another locked cubicle.

But I was a naïve teenager. I'm not now.

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Jason Pomare, 33, of Palmdale, was arrested Saturday after customers contacted security officers at a Macy's store to report a man in the women's restroom. The security officers contacted a deputy, who was on patrol at the Antelope Valley Mall (map) when he saw a man matching the subject's description leave the store.

When the deputy found the man hiding in a mall storage area, the subject was wearing a wig, women's clothing and bra, according to a statement from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department.

"The deputy noticed he was wearing a wig and appeared to have breasts," said Sgt. Brian Hudson, of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department.

Pomare (pictured, right) was charged Tuesday with six counts of unlawful use of a concealed camera for purposes of sexual gratification. After his arrest, investigators said a video camera found in his purse had "hours" of video of women using the restroom inside the store.

The suspect pointed the concealed camera under restroom stalls, but one woman recognized the camera's red recording light and contacted security officers, investigators said. Pomare told detectives he had been in the restroom for about two hours, said Hudson.

www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/secret-recording-store-mall-antelope-valley-palmdale-restroom/2061060/

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A man who tried to take pictures of schoolgirls getting changed at a swimming pool was later found to have hundreds of illicit pictures on his phone.

Simon Wassell, 33, was spotted using his mobile to try and snap the children.

Police later found nearly 600 images of unidentified women on his phones, Plymouth Crown Court heard.

A judge told Wassell that his behaviour was “perverse”.

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Hollie Gilbery, for the Crown Prosecution Service, said the two 13-year-old friends were getting changed in separate cubicles at Tavistock’s Meadowlands swimming pool at about 12.30pm.

She added that one girl looked up and saw a phone being held above the cubicle and angling down towards her.

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Miss Gilbery said the girls reported what had happened to reception and staff allowed them to change in another cubicle as they stood guard.

She added that Wassell was identified and arrested at the pool.

The court heard police found two deleted images of one of the girls, one taken from below and one from above. She was covered with a towel.

Officers also discovered 14 images of adult women in states of undress and totally naked, who appear to be oblivious to the camera.

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www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/police-find-hundreds-perverted-pictured-637758

Various sites have illicit footage of women in changing rooms. Where do you think it comes from?

I raised this issue with my local branch of Bravissimo and they assured me that they use a separate changing area for any XY customers. Or anyone else who needs more space or privacy, for example.

She also told me that they are always mindful of the safety and welfare of customers and staff.

No one is denying you that. I'm sure the vast majority of bra fitting and changing rooms are exactly that.

they are unisex try looking into it.

I always find it ironic when a poster compares excluding Transwomen from female single sex spaces as the same as excluding minority women from those spaces but don't have the critical thought to realise that allowing Transwomen in to those spaces will actually exclude many minority women from using them.

[quote Doubletoilandtrouble]@passwordnotsecure

I don’t want to be fitted by a male and I don’t want my DD12 to be fitted by a male.

I also don’t want any hidden cameras in the changing rooms (I have read about how to detect them and will do a quick search and hand any I find over to the police).

I don’t want any male wanking in the cubicle next to me or my DD. I have seen enough internet posts of males doing this to believe there is a risk. Anyone doing this, I will photograph (without them seeing) and report to the police, with the additional information that it was next to a 12 year old girl. I have found the police very protective of children in the past.

Finally, and suspicious, leering male will also be photographed (without them seeing) and the photo added to my letter of complaint and potentially social media after I have taken legal advice.[/quote]
Very unlikely. Don't get obsessed.
This is beginning to sound like The Self-Righteous Brothers.
Oi, suspicious leering male in the next cubicle, NO!

I agree with the poster who said the best fitters can judge by eye as well as their measuring tape. I bought a batch of Rigby & Peller bras in a closing down sale which were perfect and are still going strong after 15 years so you do get your money's worth. I'd even buy them (slightly) second hand because the quality is so good.

I don't think you can though. I don't know of a single shop that will actively refuse or remove a transwomen from a changing room, even if they don't have a policy actively advising they allow it

I should hope they can or its forced sexual harassment of the staff who should be able to refuse to intimately touch or be in a closed space with a half dressed male.

Exactly- although I'm 62. I expect this will be dismissed as a sample of 2.

So if three of us post about our unpleasant experiences in changing rooms that will cancel yours out, will it? I'm very happy for you.

I don't see the issue with who else is in the vicinity there once you're in your own locked compartment
I'm 47 years old, have tried on hundreds (if not thousands) of different items of clothing in changing rooms over the last 35 years and can never once remember being awkward or threatened by others in there (apart from in those awful open plan, communal changing spaces in 1990s Top Shop - yes, I admit they were a bit awkward)

Exactly- although I'm 62. I expect this will be dismissed as a sample of 2.

M&S apparently had one trans woman bra fitter in one London store and that now equates to all bra shops being unsafe for women.

the entitlement grows.

There’s plenty of men get off on footage of women being recorded without their knowledge.