Grace Lavery & Helen Joyce debate 1/4/2022 It is real

I feel like I'm in the Upside Down.

I just nodded at Laurie Penny's words and thought "oooh, sudocream's not going to cut that"

NOTHING MAKES SENSE ANY MORE!

Didn't Lavery's ex say Lavery shags like a debate champion?

No! That is hilariously brutal and I love it. Who said that? Surely not Laurie Penny, I don’t believe she has it in her.

This has been a very entertaining episode of the Terf wars. If only they gave Nobel prizes for clownery, Grace would have a better parking space.

It's just so slippery and immature from all involved, vivarium, stomping around making ridiculous excuses.

There's many ways GL could have got their message out, but to hide behind someone playing such a cartoonish sympathy card so everyone 'fucks off' and can't ask any questions is just stupid. (The movement in a nutshell though, I suppose.)

Looking forward to the next Mess We're In just to hear them all pissing themselves at this.

Bloody hell, does that woman not know the word “no” - as in the sentence: “no, I have enough of my own shit going on right now, I don’t want to publicly embroil myself in yours”. Or has she just immediately unquestioningly leapt to the aid of her the-most-vulnerable-demographic-ever-ever friend, despite the fact she’s facing all that herself right now. Hmm, what’s that phrase, something-socialisation? How fucking crass of Lavery to put that upon her.

This Jacqui Shine is an interesting person to choose, agree, @BraveBananaBadge.

I mean, I assume that Grace Lavery had a whole network to help. Seems strange Grace would ask someone with so much on their plate.

Does "strange" mean "totally selfish" or "batshit" these days? I can't seem to keep up.

Didn't Lavery's ex say Lavery shags like a debate champion?

Bit cutting.

Once again: this is all they have.

It is. In all its glory.

Big Poo Poo Pants

University education in America costs a fortune, especially places like Berkeley, so I suppose it comforts people that everyone who teaches them is a professor. They're really getting their money's worth. When I was at university there wasn't a professor who wasn't at least in his or her mid-fifties.

Fascinated by the method of communication here from GL. Would anyone who stood by the courage of their convictions do this - or hand over responsibility for it to such a seemingly vulnerable person?

If this person's troubles are genuine they have my sympathy, but we all have things going on in our lives apart from this. Why would this person's 'trauma' be any more relevant than anyone else's in the scheme of things? This is dog ate my homework/ don't hit me I'm wearing glasses stuff that only goes to show how silly these tactics are.

Hopefully this means the adults are back in the room here.

I think it's highly likely that Lavery will pull out of the Bindel one too, but if I was Lavery to be honest I would be much more scared of a debate with Helen Joyce - she is clinically rational, hugely knowledgeable about this topic, and looks like someone who would be very hard to throw off with trolling. Those are not quite so true of Julie.

@NeverEndingFireworks - this is terrible news.

So, GL, is basically Professor Yaffle? Fond of a saggy old cloth cat, fancies himself as clever but is regularly outwitted by squeaky singing mice?

There's a joke in there about "cat" and alternative nouns, but I'd be a fool to make it.

One tweeter has replied:

I assume there will be another tweet closer to the time, maybe tagging MI6 this time....

What do you reckon? Another backing-off?

In the US you can be a mediocre, junior, academic and you get the title - every "teacher" at a college or University is called 'professor'. UK Profs have to be earned.

I was looking forward to this too. I don't know much about Grace Lavery though, so perhaps I would have been disappointed about the quality of the debate.

I have just snorted my tea reading about Lavery's meltdown. Haven't laughed so hard in ages, thanks Prof!

BUT IS A PROFESSOR?

I don't understand. I thought that people with professorships were intellectual heavy weights?

If someone could pretend to be an intellectual I suppose they could pretend to be anything.

Bindel apologies.

The second debate in April that hasn’t been cancelled with Grace is with Julie Blindel. Venue TBC. Fucking Hell.

Total coward. As soon as Lavery realised that Helen Joyce was going to wipe the floor with Lavery - despite Lavery's being a Top Debater at Cambridge -- Lavery got frit. Aw shame.

And then predictably had a very un-Cambridge like temper tantrum.

Lavery might aspire to be a woman, but the only female Lavery is convincingly impersonating at the moment is Violet Elizabeth Bott. "I'll thcweam and thcweam and thcweam until I'm thick!"

Complete narc. And not very bright.

Christ on a crumpet, these people are absolutely pathetic. And GL really does come across as a thoroughly unpleasant person.