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Grace Lavery & Helen Joyce debate 1/4/2022 It is real

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highame · 19/02/2022 09:15

twitter.com/HJoyceGender/status/1494746862158553088

It is real apparently. Hosted by Unheard

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EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 19/02/2022 09:43

@NancyDrawed

Fair play to Grace (if this actually DOES go ahead) for agreeing to debate.

I've never heard of Freddie Sayers, does anyone know if he is neutral, or if not, which side he leans towards?

Sayers is the editor and does a fair amount of podcast interviews. He's a good editor and knows who to commission for decent writing.

He skews right but I've no idea of his stance on this issue. I'd doubt Lavery would have consented if Sayers had a public opinion.

Interview here with Maya Forstater.

unherd.com/thepost/maya-forstater-todays-judgment-on-trans-is-a-landmark/

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/02/2022 09:42

Did anyone see the absolute mess of The Mess We're In this week where they tried to 'debate' with a TRA?

Which TRA was that? agree Lavery will cancel but getting my ticket and popcorn.

rabbitwoman · 19/02/2022 09:39

I have just been looking at trains and hotel rooms mainly because I see Helen Stainland is going and I would love to meet her....

..... But I think Grace will cancel last minute. There is a reason why their stance has always been 'no debate'.

Did anyone see the absolute mess of The Mess We're In this week where they tried to 'debate' with a TRA? His opening gambit was to accuse thrm of being anti semetic because they once linked to an article that linked to an article by Jennifer Bilek or something, and it was impossible to bring him back to actual grass roots implications of this ideology such as Rapists in women's prisons because he only wanted to engage at the faux intellectual level. Most people don't know who biiek is, or facault, or butler or even Ray Blanchard, but everyone knows what a penis looks like and what it means in women's spaces....

I think Grace, if she turns up, will attempt to derail the conversation into academic word salad which is incomprehensible to most, but Helen is definitely not gong to fall for that!!

What I particularly like about Helen is that she has no background in this. She has come into it from her journalism and has been appalled, like many here, rather than being an academic feminist, so she cannot be taken down that way.

Should be amazing. I am definitely shelling out a fiver for it.

NancyDrawed · 19/02/2022 09:37

Fair play to Grace (if this actually DOES go ahead) for agreeing to debate.

I've never heard of Freddie Sayers, does anyone know if he is neutral, or if not, which side he leans towards?

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 19/02/2022 09:23

A good use of £5 to attend online.

highame · 19/02/2022 09:22

I'm going to try and do the online too. Thanks for that Link Crouton

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Crouton19 · 19/02/2022 09:18

unherd.com/unherd-live-seeking-a-way-through-the-gender-wars/

I’d love to go in person but it’s too far away, but will definitely watch online!

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