Non Binary Drag Queen in top government role.....

I'm sure that there have always been people with odd fetishes, but the idea that it's somehow a good thing to let everyone know about them is disturbing. Your employer shouldn't know about your sexual interests. Nor should a newspaper. Keep it private.

And before the homophobic comparisons roll in, mentioning your same-sex partner at work is nothing at all like revealing that you like to tie people up and wear a dog mask or whatever else this is. Far too much information.

I'd consider him unsuitable for the job for that reason. No sense of appropriate boundaries.

There was a poster on a recent thread, who said she’d alerted management that a woman the company was intending to recruit used to be a cam girl. The job was not offered to her due to this behaviour not being in line with corporate image.

The questions as to whether a woman with equally star credentials would have been recruited to this position if they behaved and dressed in a similar way are very pertinent.

Who has said he should be sacked? Nobody on this thread.

I'd probably be concerned if this individual took that involved safeguarding (like teaching), and I think that they should be held to the same professional standards (such as dress) as anyone else.
Other than that I don't care. I'm also really suspicious of efforts to get people sacked because of things they've said or done that don't effect their ability to do the job, I don't think the sacking by Twitter mob mentality is advancing society TBH.

Well, seeing as they have Master's degree from Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and a professional interest in sorting nuclear waste problem, sounds like they're pretty well qualified for the job and good luck to them.

My problem is why the rules are different for this person, as opposed say, to a woman who tuned up looking like that in a high profile government role. Would the same courtesies be extended to her?

This is a good point.

Women have for a long time fought (mostly unsuccessfully) to stop their main public focus by journalists being their appearance, clothes, price of clothes, weight, baby weight, how fast they lose the baby weight, yada yada, instead of focus on the capacity to do their job.

Now we're seeing males march into the public eye waving their exciting sex lives in the face of the public with some bizarre belief that it's relevant or of interest.

We're living in the era of Johnson where capacity, boundaries and professionality appears to have gone with the wind, but the difference is stark.

He came from a religious background and was subjected to cruel conversion therapy.
It is not clear whether that was for being gay, or ‘non binary’ in his gender identity. Now he campaigns against conversion therapy for LGBT people - so the usual conflation.

FFS what consenting adults do together should not be for public consumption. Its private and between the people doing it. Children should not be exposed to news stories about kink. I despair.
We stopped coverage of streakers at public events so as not to cause upset to anyone, yet we will discuss strangulation for sexual pleasure, using nice cozy words to describe, it quite openly in the media.

Firstly, looking at the Deep Isolation site - there are no images of him dressed up. So we can't assume he'll necessarily turn up in full on drag.
Secondly if a woman was appointed and then pictures of her in bondage gear were published I wouldn't be calling for her to be sacked or expressing condemnation and outrage.

There's a big difference between working with children or having power over women's rights and welfare like the police or the Head of Health that Biden appointed and this job.

I despise his promotion of kink etc but either we believe in free speech or we don't. I'm quite happy to criticise him for all this but it doesn't mean he shouldn't have the job.

Like I said we should judge him by how he behaves at work, and how well he does the job. I just feel that article is a tacky hit job. I'm just trying to reconcile my gut reaction with a more considered position.

I think the point is how comfortable men like this feel in advertising their fetishes

Indeed. I can remember, as a manager, being asked by the male management to have a talk about appropriate office wear when one of my female staff wore extremely high-heeled lace-up-the-front boots, fishnets and corset-style tops to the office.

I support men to wear whatever they want, but that doesn't include inappropriate workwear. My guess is that if a woman presented in that way she wouldn't be taken seriously.

@YetAnotherSpartacus
“would Biden have employed a woman who had a similar personal life - for example - who may have been a sex worker of a cam model? Or are women still subject to different rules?

• would a woman in the role feel free to dress similarly or would she be reminded of the rules of female dress and 'decorum' if she wore any of those outfits - or called offensive names? In other words - a different take on rules.

• what advantages over women because of birth sex does Brinton have? Is Brinton still a welcome member of the boys' club?

• will Brinton be reminded to keep his professional life separate from his kink life - i.e. - not use the former to promote the latter?”

I agree with what you say here.

I DO have a problem with him using women's spaces. He doesn't even specifically identify as female ffs.

I think the point is how comfortable men like this feel in advertising their fetishes.

No, it probably won't affect his ability to do the job (unless he starts partaking in his fetishes at work), but why advertise them to the world? That's just weird, to say the least.

I'm a bit uneasy about this, to be honest. Shouldn't the main scrutiny be on his suitability to do the job

Mostly, I agree.

I think we do need to separate out his personal life from his professional role.

I also don't really have a problem with his dressing up as such.

I do have a problem with his views re the trans debate and I find his sexual kinks problematic.

I guess what I wonder is:

• would Biden have employed a woman who had a similar personal life - for example - who may have been a sex worker of a cam model? Or are women still subject to different rules?

• would a woman in the role feel free to dress similarly or would she be reminded of the rules of female dress and 'decorum' if she wore any of those outfits - or called offensive names? In other words - a different take on rules.

• what advantages over women because of birth sex does Brinton have? Is Brinton still a welcome member of the boys' club?

• will Brinton be reminded to keep his professional life separate from his kink life - i.e. - not use the former to promote the latter?

Some men look fabulous in dresses, Brinton isn't one of them.

I think your title is misleading TBH. Yes it is disturbing, but this is a UK site and this person is not part of the UK government.

I'm a bit uneasy about this to be honest. Shouldn't the main scrutiny be on his suitability to do the job. He's working at a start up Deep Isolation finding solutions to dealing with nuclear waste - a big issue.
The test will come in how he behaves in the job and what he may or may not be allowed to get away with.

"Sam Brinton received a dual Master's degree in engineering systems and nuclear science and engineering from MIT. "

lgbtqreligiousarchives.org/profiles/sam-brinton

He looks familiar. I seem to remember a photograph of him at an awards ceremony. I think he got a round of applause for using the women's toilets or something ridiculous.

I stopped at 'animal role playing' as I wasn't sure where it was going. No, I lie, it was 'tie up' his partner like a table. Oh wait, it's the whole grubby mess, actually.

Rome is burning

I started to read it and thought it meant Sal, Baroness Brinton. The first words up to the comma describe her well enough but then I was ?