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Pronouns at work - help

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HermioneKipper · 17/02/2022 01:09

We’ve been asked to put our pronouns on our signatures at work. Lots have already done this, has been suggested in team meetings etc but I have studiously ignored it so far.

We’ve now been officially told to do it.

Employer is a stonewall champion and very pro this sort of thing. I’m very anxious about speaking out but will refuse on principle to do it. I do not subscribe to gender ideology and disagree with needing a pronoun. Worried if I say this I will get into trouble.

How can I put it without getting a black mark against my name?

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KittenKong · 17/02/2022 08:20

How can they ‘make’ you? Dear god, I can’t even ‘make’ my team use the correct logo on their email footers.

sacredfeminina · 17/02/2022 08:17

I wouldn't say you're not comfortable outing yourself, as that is telling them you subscribe to gender ideology, which you don't.

Tell them you hold gender critical beliefs, ie. You don't believe in gender and pronouns. This is a protected belief from the Forstater case. If they force you to use them, are they not then discriminating against your beliefs?

You may find that other people you work with feel the same way you do.

Katieandthekids · 17/02/2022 07:35

@WhoWants2Know

I said that I didn't feel comfortable "outing" myself and that the way I relate to my body is a personal matter.
This is what I would say too
timetochangeusername · 17/02/2022 07:22

At my work I just deleted that line from the official signature -- and I use it for all internal emails now where I didn't used to, to make a point .

Can't see how they can sack me for not putting pronouns in my signature !

lovelyweathertoday · 17/02/2022 07:17

If you want to sidestep completely you could say "I don't feel comfortable announcing preferred pronouns" and just stop at that. If asked why just say that your reasons are personal. That would force them to both say that they want to intrude in your personal feelings and don't care about your comfort if they insist.

Or you could say that you want people to use the appropriate pronouns for your sex, and if your name is typically female then no further information is needed.

JustWaking · 17/02/2022 07:04

I like ConfusingWorld's approach, since it doesn't involve pretending to believe in gender ideology (which is what you object to) and you're sticking to the impact this has on you and how it discriminates against you based on your protected characteristic of sex.

Suzyinthesummertime · 17/02/2022 03:34

This is madness, I certainly wouldn't want to engage in this at work either and nobody should be forced to.

ConfusingWorld · 17/02/2022 03:02

Say that it is well-studied that women are at greater risk of stereotype threat (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype_threat) when reminded that they are women, and that you have no desire to support a policy that further disadvantages women in the workplace.

Additionally, studies have shown that men rate CVs showing male names more highly than those showing female names, even when the content is identical, suggesting a clear bias. It is conceivable that a similar effect may occur if pronouns are plastered all over email correspondence, reminding everyone who the women are. It would be terrible if women were overlooked, or taken less seriously, during email correspondence, due to the unfair biases of men.

MrsTerryPratchett · 17/02/2022 02:51

I've found, 'I don't have a gender' with a hard stare, works.

Fortunately my boss is an old school punk feminist who will hold out until the bitter end.

DryOldCaper · 17/02/2022 02:44

@WhoWants2Know

I said that I didn't feel comfortable "outing" myself and that the way I relate to my body is a personal matter.
I think this is the one they can least take issue with. You could also add that you don’t mind which pronouns people use about you when you’re not even there to hear them anyway.

Unbelievable that people are being forced to do this.

SD1978 · 17/02/2022 02:29

I would reply that as I am still working through my pronouns personally, I am not currently comfortable with publicly announcing them, and appreciate their support during this difficult time. Also let them know that you are aware of the diversity support within the company and appreciate all their hard work supporting everyone with their choices and preferences......

DdraigGoch · 17/02/2022 02:25

Sometimes ridicule is the only way. Opposite sex pronouns, neopronouns, mix and match, list every possible acceptable one, "me/I"...

Otherwise I just would stall for as long as possible.

WhoWants2Know · 17/02/2022 01:24

I said that I didn't feel comfortable "outing" myself and that the way I relate to my body is a personal matter.

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