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Pronouns at work - help

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HermioneKipper · 17/02/2022 01:09

We’ve been asked to put our pronouns on our signatures at work. Lots have already done this, has been suggested in team meetings etc but I have studiously ignored it so far.

We’ve now been officially told to do it.

Employer is a stonewall champion and very pro this sort of thing. I’m very anxious about speaking out but will refuse on principle to do it. I do not subscribe to gender ideology and disagree with needing a pronoun. Worried if I say this I will get into trouble.

How can I put it without getting a black mark against my name?

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TabithaHazel · 20/02/2022 17:26

This is the best response I've seen..

Pronouns at work - help
silentpool · 20/02/2022 00:28

I'm ignoring it. If pressed, I will say, I do not follow that practice. If compelled, I will tell them I will do it, once the Gender Pay Gap is closed and I will not be disadvantaged by announcing my gender.

MiladyBerserko · 20/02/2022 00:13

The comments are epic though

HollowTalk · 20/02/2022 00:12

The ridiculous thing is that you only need to know a pronoun if you're referring to someone when they are not there. If you're emailing them then you don't need the fucking pronoun!

YukoandHiro · 18/02/2022 20:37

I was going to suggest exactly what @ConfusingWorld said. Considering this is all supposed to be about equality then making your case for your own ability to work in the most equal way possible within the patriarchy is something I don't think they can easily argue with.

ArialAnna · 18/02/2022 20:35

Our official work signature has pronouns now. I just deleted that line when I used it (and I'm not the only one). No one has commented on it. I expect it'll be the same for you OP. I suspect that those of us who think this is all bonkers are actually in the quiet majority...

Furx · 18/02/2022 20:26

The reason I chose the phrases "uncomfortable outing myself"

I also took this to sound like outing oneself as trans, but actually meaning outing oneself as GC.

I work for an incredibly conservative (small and big C) org. The bad thing is they are about 20 years behind the curve. The great thing is that they are about 20 years behind the curve.

Im hoping that we’ll miss this entirely.

IntermittentParps · 18/02/2022 10:48

@JoodyBlue

Lots of tongue in cheek answers here. But it is a serious business. To require you to do this is to compel your agreement. It is coercive. We all have to make a living, but this isn't the small thing that it is made out to be.
No, agreed. I think the flippancy is often serving to make a serious point, and is also just a way of dealing with it all...!
JoodyBlue · 18/02/2022 10:36

Lots of tongue in cheek answers here. But it is a serious business. To require you to do this is to compel your agreement. It is coercive. We all have to make a living, but this isn't the small thing that it is made out to be.

WackyDuck · 18/02/2022 09:20

Being a bit flippant here, but I'd be tempted to say that your pronouns are so special that you're only allowed to disclose them in non visible ink. You could say you have a non visible flag too.

WhoWants2Know · 17/02/2022 21:39

The reason I chose the phrases "uncomfortable outing myself" and "the way I relate to my physical body is a personal matter" is because I don't believe in gender, and I'm not comfortable being outed as gender critical in a Stonewall associated organisation. It's not safe.

If they take it as meaning I believe their nonsense, that's their mistake.

LastFirstEverything · 17/02/2022 19:14

My workplace recently introduced the option of adding pronouns to the email signature, but one of the options you can choose from the drop down menu of (many) choices is 'no pronouns/use my name'. Could that be a way round it?

rainydogday · 17/02/2022 19:03

Nhs want us to do the same. Also encouraging to wear a badge. I hate badges as forget to take them off and they hang funny. Why do I need a badge or email signature to 'prove' I am completed cool with what ever anyone else wants to be called or known as. This from the nhs makes me laugh....

"If you see someone wearing a rainbow badge
If you see one of our staff wearing a rainbow badge, they have made an informed choice to do so. This means you can be sure they are a friendly ear, willing to listen without judgment and will know how to signpost to the support available. So please don’t be afraid to talk to them"
What if someone forgets to wear their badge? Or chooses not to? Are they an unfriendly nasty judgemental bastard? The world has gone mad.

Sausageandeggs · 17/02/2022 18:50

*-emptily

(Though it made me laugh!)

Sausageandeggs · 17/02/2022 18:49

I actually think it’s ridiculous everyone is pussy-footing around this. It’s already been made clear employers are not able to force this. It’s in law. If women stopped trying to be so meek and nice then maybe we would actually get somewhere.

Be honest. You don’t agree with gender ideology and you’d like to know why your boss thinks this is emptily appropriate in the work place.

Rinse and repeat.

spacehardware · 17/02/2022 18:38

Yes indeed, for anyone to be non binary they need to rigidly enforce the binary on most other people, otherwise there is nothing to be 'non'

I once calmly explained to a crack pot TRA that all GC feminists are non binary on the barbie to GI Joe scale. Funnily enough his 'acceptance without exception' creed stopped short at a boring 40 year old mother self IDing

JustWaking · 17/02/2022 17:53

non binary - it's gender critical with a flag.

I don't see it that way. I think that not fitting neatly into a gender stereotype box isn't non-binary - it's just human. Calling yourself non-binary says that you think everyone else fits in gender boxes.

PearPickingPorky · 17/02/2022 16:11

@GroggyLegs

Ha, yes me too! I was heartened today to hear a group of young teenage girls on the bus scoffing and generally eye rolling about the idea of non binary people.

Ah, now I've got a bit of a soft spot for non binary - it's gender critical with a flag.

Grin

It's the first step to tervedom

TabithaHazel · 17/02/2022 16:07

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Slothtoes · 17/02/2022 16:00

Employees can say what they want (within reason) on their personal email or social media, but not at work. If flying flags or distributing leaflets or making people say how they vote at work is too political, I don’t see why putting pronouns on work emails is any different. Employers can’t force anyone to do it.
I also think adding pronouns by choice which some of my colleagues seem to be allowed to do, isn't OK. Nobody wants to tackle it even though we have a Style Guide and it specifies exactly what our email signatures have to look like Hmm

GroggyLegs · 17/02/2022 15:55

Ha, yes me too! I was heartened today to hear a group of young teenage girls on the bus scoffing and generally eye rolling about the idea of non binary people.

Ah, now I've got a bit of a soft spot for non binary - it's gender critical with a flag.

Brefugee · 17/02/2022 15:46

I'm with @ConfusingWorld and this is the approach i've taken with my company (we are not at the compulsory pronoun stage)
It helps here because we have an initiative within the company to improve the ratio of women in the higher echelons having discovered that 65% of the company are women, but only 15% of partners. This has played into my hand, somewhat.

We'll see what happens if they decide to make it compulsory. I rather suspect it will be the hill i die on.

TabithaHazel · 17/02/2022 14:45

@KittenKong

I can’t wait for this guff to blow over and people to wake up.
Ha, yes me too! I was heartened today to hear a group of young teenage girls on the bus scoffing and generally eye rolling about the idea of non binary people.

OP, this is a good resource womansplaceuk.org/2021/06/27/share-pronouns-at-work/

JoodyBlue · 17/02/2022 14:29

@HermioneWeasley

I would ignore until someone speaks to you about it. Then, depending on how brave/secure you’re feeling you can go from the mild “I don’t feel comfortable” without specifying why, through to its discrimination against those who don’t have a gender identity/hold GV beliefs
I agree with this approach. If asked "I don't want to" should suffice. If pushed "I disagree with the premise". If pushed further "this is a discussion I'm not prepared to have at work, I will treat every individual with respect of course" repeat ad nauseum
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