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KJK in Nottingham Today

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NancyDrawed · 13/02/2022 18:53

Me and a friend went along to this Regional Speaker's Corner event today. I was surprised there weren't more protesters, to be honest.

It was great to meet KJ in the flesh, she is truly awesome.

The weather was foul, so the event wasn't as long as the Reformer's Tree ones, the attached video is under 40 minutes long

This part of the livestream - starts at 11.08 ish - where the two TW behind her do not know what to do with themselves. It almost looks the penny begins to drop for cream hat TW. I don't think they are used to being told that they are anything other than stunning and brave.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Hq3_9tyB24

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Enough4me · 17/02/2022 00:28

It's fine when trans say they're trans, it's when they lie about their biological sex and use the wrong sex facilities that problems occur. Trans should use the right facilities for their sex and, if they feel intimidated, push back against their own sex group to accept them. Men can accept men into their loos regardless of clothing and body alterations.

FemaleAndLearning · 17/02/2022 00:08

Yes that woman was very brave to stand up and speak. She used really good language by saying "I wasn't raped be sure I identify as a woman I was raped because I am a woman. It was hard to hear but I'm pretty sure I heard someone say "I don't identify as trans, I am trans". The brainwashing is actually really scary.

MalbecMakesMeHappy · 16/02/2022 20:48

Well done to all those who attended. Shame on those who tried to silence the women speaking, especially the man who victim-blamed the brave woman talking about her experience of childhood sexual abuse and rape.

picklemewalnuts · 16/02/2022 18:49

That was an Instagram rabbit hole, Learning!

I was getting all irritated about the sexualised poses, then remembered that the young women all pose like that these days as well, and it wasn't the trans women being hyper sexual! #FeelingOld.

NotTerfNorCis · 16/02/2022 18:37

Sorry I missed this! Would have gone to support if I'd known.

Cailleach1 · 16/02/2022 14:38

Kellie has been a tide that is lifting all boats, in my opinion. She is getting women together all over the world on the issue of this movement; which is prioritises men's wants to the detriment of women.

Cailleach1 · 16/02/2022 14:36

Well, bearded blokie alludes to 'women's rights', using the quotation marks. Dude like that is no friend of women, in my book. Possibly delighted he/she/furry can pretend this men's rights movement misogyny is righteous.

Wonder if he/she/furry writes 'disability rights' and 'racial equality' as well.

Binglebong · 16/02/2022 13:53

I'm about an hour away from Nottingham but that's a good starting point, thanks.

Blogblogblogblog · 16/02/2022 12:51

Chris Tregenza (photographer) knew it was happening from his Twitter. He goes to lots of protests, protesting against a lot of issues. It seems from his Twitter, some of his and my views are the same (!) but as always, he conflates women’s rights as anti-trans rights and extreme right wing. He is a computer programming and runs a mock-up dungeons and dragons website and has supported people with ADHD. There’s such a known pattern here isn’t there.
I thought he was chief winder upper of the anti women’s rights lot getting them to chant over the women. And a white older male. Pointing an intimidatingly large camera at the women when you don’t know how those images are going to be used. Let Women Speak is such a poignant and truthful chant back to him.

FemaleAndLearning · 16/02/2022 10:53

I thought I had confused myself! Via that Instagram account you can see both bobble hats Instagrams and see their transitions. What a shame they are not happy being gay men.

picklemewalnuts · 16/02/2022 07:31

That's a second man, learning. The red coat man is tregenza. He met another man (Phil Howcroft) who took a nice photo of the bobble boys.

FemaleAndLearning · 15/02/2022 22:13

The text says "a group 9f women were going to protest about transwomen". No we weren't you narcisstic idiots we were their to talk about women's rights!

FemaleAndLearning · 15/02/2022 22:11

@Zorayda

This is the middle-aged minder in the red coat: twitter.com/tregenza

It was fabulous to see so many women and be free to talk. I need to work on having calm conversations with the young women who just haven't thunk it through. For the next one I plan to have a decent sized sign, and I REALLY want to invest in a dinosaur costume.
KJK absolutely brilliant.
The energy of it was great. Feel re-booted.

And instagram. The photography was for his art project. Seems like he wasn't involved until he met Sophie and Sasha (bobble hat protesters). www.instagram.com/p/CZ79FtqtiwW/?utm_medium=copy_link
lovelyweathertoday · 15/02/2022 21:01

If you are near Nottingham you could contact Nottingham resisters or the women's rights network. Both have groups based in Nottingham.

Binglebong · 15/02/2022 20:56

I wish I'd known it was happening. I really want to meet with some GC minded individuals- I'm out as such with the old guard at work but don't know the new well enough yet to reveal myself.

lovelyweathertoday · 15/02/2022 20:49

@picklemewalnuts I hope you manage to keep up good relationships with the young people. It's a very tricky situation to deal with.

Zorayda · 15/02/2022 20:23

This is the middle-aged minder in the red coat: twitter.com/tregenza

It was fabulous to see so many women and be free to talk. I need to work on having calm conversations with the young women who just haven't thunk it through. For the next one I plan to have a decent sized sign, and I REALLY want to invest in a dinosaur costume.
KJK absolutely brilliant.
The energy of it was great. Feel re-booted.

picklemewalnuts · 15/02/2022 19:49

I'd be fine with that, @lovelyweathertoday, if the TRAs hadn't 'spun' that to mean 'loathe and despise trans people and think they are sex offenders'.
I have young people I don't want to scare off. We are already distanced due to my being so uncomfortable with what they are doing to themself. I struggle to know what to say, due to the size of the elephant in the room!

TooWicked · 15/02/2022 13:51

Ah, just found it in my history, here you go - Events

TooWicked · 15/02/2022 13:50

I'm sure I've seen a date of 15th May for Manchester, but I can't find it again now. Maybe I got it in an email.

lovelyweathertoday · 15/02/2022 13:17

The women speaking out and gathering were brave- I'm not ready to do so, as there are people I need to be discreet around.

I was happy to turn up and talk to the passing public.

I knew several people who didn't turn up who were thinking about going. It's ridiculous that it takes courage to publicly be associated with the statement that a woman is an adult human female.

It's shameful that our politicians and universities that should thrive on debate have allowed this fear to creep into current culture.

We must all keep writing/emailing/speaking up as much as possible to turn this around.

CompleteGinasaur · 15/02/2022 13:04

@picklemewalnuts

I was quite impressed by their resilience, to be honest. Clearly they find it very uncomfortable to be faced with the truth quite so baldly.

The women speaking out and gathering were brave- I'm not ready to do so, as there are people I need to be discreet around.
Those two youngsters were as well- regardless of their unpleasant behaviour and how much I disagree with them. It's easier to be outright nasty than to quietly stand and listen to things you don't want to hear. (While not chanting).

I'll have to disagree with you about those two, picklemewalnuts - whilst they were much quieter (shell=shocked?) during the main part of the rally when outnumbered by us terven (love that construction, whoever it was!) they were really quite nastily intimidating to me (older, disabled, alone) before the main body of the gathering had turned up. Classic entitled male bullying behaviour.

(Kellie-Jay is still officially my hero, and I'd like to thank her profusely if she reads this).

picklemewalnuts · 15/02/2022 12:43

I was quite impressed by their resilience, to be honest. Clearly they find it very uncomfortable to be faced with the truth quite so baldly.

The women speaking out and gathering were brave- I'm not ready to do so, as there are people I need to be discreet around.
Those two youngsters were as well- regardless of their unpleasant behaviour and how much I disagree with them. It's easier to be outright nasty than to quietly stand and listen to things you don't want to hear. (While not chanting).

NancyDrawed · 15/02/2022 12:07

This is why Kellie-Jay's approach is so powerful. She is so direct and does not compromise at all where language around our sex is concerned. It is quite something to witness.

Cream bobble hat could not quite believe what was being said, I felt - but the truth hurts sometimes. If you have always been told how fantastic you are, it must come as something of a shock to be told to told that no, we don't see you as you see yourself.

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BigFrau · 15/02/2022 11:40

The faces of the two bobble hat TRAs were just incredulous when KJ was talking to them, it was quite funny! They are just so obviously used to everyone bending over backwards not to upset them, when someone speaks to them straight they don't know what to do with themselves.

They look like a couple of kids being given a bollocking by a teacher.

Universities fall over themselves to validate students' identities (am assuming this lot were students). So it will have come as a massive shock for them to have gone a few steps out of their uni campus to find themselves quite literally in the real world.