TWAW men

Does it not feel weird to them? Like if I, as a white person, were to publicly tell black people "Rachel Dolezal is black and deserves everything you've set up for your equality and protection. She is the victim. Get over it."

Or does it not even register that it might not be their place to comment?

As in the OP.

Could you answer, Shingles why TWAW men think they have the right to decide what a different group's boundaries and definition should be? One they are in a more privileged position to? Why it would be different to deciding the rights of other races or disabled people, as a white or able bodied person? That would be great.

Completely ruling out any and all trans women simply by the virtue of being trans is somewhat transphobic alright,

So the man who said 'except for relationship purposes' is transphobic.

but it's also still less transphobic than engaging in militant anti-trans activism and actively campaigning for trans women's exclusion from public spaces.

Who is doing that?

And also, unless they have explicitly said that, you don't really have any way of knowing that besides making reaching assumptions. You are not a mind reader.

Plenty of them have said it explicitly. The people you quoted weren't making that up.

What are these males identifying with exactly, if woman has no meaning?

Trans-supportive people do not define "woman" the same way you do.

So, how do trans-supportive define women then? What makes TW women?

There's more than one way to be a woman.

There are plenty of ways to be a woman. Zero of them are being born male, because a woman is simply the name for an adult human female. No more, no less.

That’s gaslightly as fuck.

Yep. Par for the course.

*do not mean

And also, unless they have explicitly said that, you don't really have any way of knowing that besides making reaching assumptions. You are not a mind reader.

I'm happy to make an assumption.

Trans-supportive people do not define "woman" the same way you do. When trans-supportive people say "woman", they does not mean "cis females only", as you would.

I thought that much was clear.

And no one says trans women are women "in the same way" as cis women. No one said there's no differences whatsoever.

So transwomen aren't women then, are they? Women are women because they are female. What makes transwomen women?

And also, unless they have explicitly said that, you don't really have any way of knowing that besides making reaching assumptions. You are not a mind reader.

And no one says trans women are women "in the same way" as cis women. No one said there's no differences whatsoever

That’s gaslightly as fuck.

And no one says trans women are women "in the same way" as cis women. No one said there's no differences whatsoever.

It's just that trans women and cis women are both women, even if they're women in a different way.

There's more than one way to be a woman.

Yes, of course.

Nothing to do with being ‘fuckable’ and everything to do with these men holding a particular position… unless it directly affects them. Which it doesn’t. Because they’re men, and it’s not their rights being eroded. But women should just #bekind

This.

That would make them gay as they are both males.

Or bisexual. But no, not straight.

[quote ShinyShingles59]@Christienne
“They just don’t think about it. Nor about how hypocritical they are, given that most of them would never have a sexual relationship with a TW.”

@Aderyn21
“Funny how they all know what a woman is when they want to have sex or have a baby”

@Nadjahomesoil
“I'd like to see these men sleep with/marry a TW.”

@Cheekypeach
“I’ll believe it when they date and sleep with them as they would a woman (if they’re straight of course). Why should we have to treat them as women in every way, but they don’t?”

@MingeofDeath
“Never forget the famous Twitter line "Transwomen are women except for relationship purposes".”

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Do you think people only deserve rights if they're "fuckable"? That one should not support a marginalized group's rights unless willing to have sex with them?

Because that seems to be the premise here. You seem to think supporting a group's rights should be contigent on wanting to have sex with them.

Also, many straight guys who support trans rights do date trans women.[/quote]
Everyone deserves rights. Not everyone is a woman. Nothing to do with being ‘fuckable’ and everything to do with these men holding a particular position… unless it directly affects them. Which it doesn’t. Because they’re men, and it’s not their rights being eroded. But women should just #bekind

I’m sure some men do date transwomen. Those men are bisexual or gay. Not all men screaming ‘transwomen are women’ are bisexual or gay. HTH.

We're not talking about straight TWAW men rejecting individual MTF trans people. We're talking about them not considering any of them as sex partners (because they know fine well what a woman is) which is perfectly fine by me, but not TRAs, generally. I'm not a fan of hypocrisy though. I'm not a fan of woke men lecturing me on my perfectly natural boundaries around men being transphobic and then not following through themselves.

Also, many straight guys who support trans rights do date trans women.

That would make them gay as they are both males.

How do they "not really believe it"?

Because I don't believe any of them actually believe these males are women in the same way that female people are. That's the point of "not relationship purposes", he's all TWAW when it doesn't affect him. Not so much when it does.

Do you think "woman" must necessarily mean "woman I am sexually attracted to"?