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Green Party proposed conference motion WDI

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BoyGirlDogCatMouseCheez · 12/02/2022 11:17

I saw this on Green Feminists on Facebook and, well, blimey! On top of Shahrar Ali and Emma Bateman's recent (and long term) treatment it seems a big purge is being touted.

"Sign the Women's Declaration International declaration on sex-based rights for women and you may run the risk of being thrown out of the Green Party.

Green Feminists who are also members of the Green Party of England and Wales need to be aware of the late motion being brought by Ani Stafford-Townsend co-chair of the Green Party Women committee which is given below:

Late Motion: Developing an intersectional approach to diversity in the Green Party

Synopsis:

GPEW accepts the damning results of the 25th January 2022 Council of Europe report “Combating rising hate against LGBTI people in Europe”. GPEW accepts that it has been subject to hard-line anti-trans activism for some time; issues cannot be tackled without understanding; and oppression of marginalised groups intersect.

Motion:

Insert into Record of Policy Statements:

RR539:

The Green Party recognises the need for civil, open dialogue between party members on the topic of Trans Rights, in order to enable the party to make the most informed policy decisions possible.

The Green Party accepts that the “Gender Critical” movements in most UK political parties have been infiltrated by hard-line extremists, who advocate for the wholesale removal of virtually all trans rights as currently enshrined in the Equality Act 2010, and routinely share platforms with those who advocate for extremist positions such as the mass sterilization of trans people. These extremists have also been linked with attacks on women’s abortion rights, misinformation designed to provoke hatred towards trans people, and have benefitted from funding from the far-right.

The Green Party condemns hard-line anti-trans activists, including signatories of the “Women’s Declaration International”, which calls for the following:

A total ban on all trans women from entering any and all women’s spaces, including toilets, changing rooms, etc.

A ban on all internationally recommended trans healthcare of any kind on under 18s.

A ban on organisations that recognise Gender Identity (including policy that merely accepts the use of preferred pronouns) from having any involvement in children’s healthcare.

Legally protect the right to misgender trans women.

Ban trans women from being legally recognised as mothers, and trans men form being legally recognised as fathers.

Ban scientific research into fertility treatment for trans women.

Ban all trans women from misogyny combating measures, such as all women shortlists, scholarships, etc.

Ban all trans women and girls from women’s sports at all levels of competition, irrespective of the wishes of the organising sporting bodies.

Ban all trans women from women’s prisons.

Require all collected statistics to refer to trans women as male, and trans men as female.

Legally protect parents who seek to deny healthcare or therapy to transgender children.

The Green Party recognises that while many moderate gender critical party members may wish to discuss or debate some of the WDI demands, that collectively they represent a hard-line extremist view, involving what would be some of the most extreme anti-trans legislation in any country in Europe. The Green Party expresses regret that the Council of Europe report deems the UK as being on par with Russia, Poland and Hungary when it comes to LGBTI rights, and wishes to oppose any further worsening of our position.

Conference instructs :

Conference instructs GPRC to suspend signatories of the WHRC/Women’s Declaration International.

Conference instructs GPEx to provide intersectional equalities & diversity training to elected members, internally & externally, and to local party officers, in order to gain a comprehensive understanding of how the challenges to the rights of all marginalised groups intersect.

Insert into the Code of Conduct:

10.11:

Members should under no circumstances sign or have signed public declarations calling for the explicit removal of LGBTQIA+ rights, as enshrined in the Equality Act 2010 (under “gender Identity” and “sexual orientation”), in particular the WHRC declaration/Women’s Declaration International. Those members who do or have done so should be suspended from the party permanently."

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DomesticatedZombie · 13/02/2022 21:48

I'll stay till I'm kicked out.

Rhannion · 13/02/2022 21:34

I only joined the English greens last year so I could vote!
In the words of The Clash, Should I Stay or Should I Go?
I’m thinking GO!

feministar · 13/02/2022 19:39

Absolutely captured… their treatment of Emma is disgusting.. cancelled membership

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 13/02/2022 19:24

Thanks for the translation, ScrollingLeaves. What a pack of lies. And at a time when we need a genuine green party like never before.

ThatsWhenTheCannibalismStarted · 13/02/2022 19:15

What actually is the point of the Greens?

Gingernaut · 13/02/2022 18:12

The first six lines hold four people who have signed and declared themselves members of The Green Party.

Protests?

KeepingAnOpenMind · 13/02/2022 18:09

I know shahrah and have no idea why he sticks with the Green Party. They spend more time squabbling than doing anything to protect animals and the environment.

WarriorN · 13/02/2022 11:56

@DomesticatedZombie

It's called 'Green Party Women'. If someone has identified out of womanhood then seems a bit odd they'd want to be part of a woman's group.

It's a carefully planned strategy designed to turf the terfs out.

The irony is that most of the women I know who are female centred feminists are all members of the greens!

WarriorN · 13/02/2022 11:54

Jarnsaxa and BoyGirlDogCatMouseCheez these are very good points.

I've felt the same when a previous GPW co chair was waxing lyrical on twitter about sparkly nail polish. Micro plastics? Ffs.

But this is absolutely much more of an issue. Not only is it wasted time and medical resources, the impact on the baby of the additional drugs and hormones etc is highly unethical. And surely with regards to womb transplants, women do take priority. I don't know enough about the science to take a view on that though.

There is actually a huge rise in the number of younger people choosing not to have children for financial and eco reasons. Birth rates have fallen below 2. This obsession with pregnancy for some trans women including if they're within the greens, illustrates how exceptionally self centred the ideology is.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/02/2022 11:51

I've seen this is often the case though. And famously the Green Party lumped all women and trans people into a "non men" category in the past.

DomesticatedZombie · 13/02/2022 11:48

It's called 'Green Party Women'. If someone has identified out of womanhood then seems a bit odd they'd want to be part of a woman's group.

WarriorN · 13/02/2022 11:46

Precisely.

So is it the green female group? In which case why are there men in there?

There's an active lgbtqi group they could happily be very active in.

DomesticatedZombie · 13/02/2022 11:43

BTW. Ani Stafford Townsend is not a woman. They are a female non binary person. It is very important to maintain civil, open dialogue during an authoritarian purge.

If they is not a woman, then why is they co-chair of 'Green Party Women'?

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BoyGirlDogCatMouseCheez · 13/02/2022 11:35

@Jarnsaxa

I wonder what the Greens policy on animal exploitation and cruelty is?

I mean if research is being carried out into implanting a uterus into a male human body. Surely the researchers are going to want develop and practice on other primates first?

Is there a research lab somewhere attempting to implant wombs into male chimpanzees? And forcing them to carry a pregnancy?

How would Green voters feel about that do you think?

Great point. I suspect thinking of it this way will be more emotive to some than considering the potential impacts on the human child involved. All the medication and its side effects, plus the unknowns of disrupting the natural process. Light exposure in utero is being found to have an impact on brain development for example. There's just so much we don't fully understand. It seems a form of preemptive abuse to even consider risking so much with another's life to fulfil a want. Same goes for men who want to breastfeed. Is the milk composition going to be comparable even to formula? How many resources will be dedicated to this when we all know how little support there is for women to establish breastfeeding?

In so many arenas we have bog standard, unspecial, non-exceptional, frankly boring women* doing what women do everyday, pushed aside for these trampling charismatic black holes of attention. And if we try to assert our rights in the face of these wants there is a hate campaign to silence us.

*the TRAs apparent viewpoint, not my own.

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titchy · 13/02/2022 10:38

What does Caroline Lucas make of it all I wonder?

Jarnsaxa · 13/02/2022 02:25

I wonder what the Greens policy on animal exploitation and cruelty is?

I mean if research is being carried out into implanting a uterus into a male human body. Surely the researchers are going to want develop and practice on other primates first?

Is there a research lab somewhere attempting to implant wombs into male chimpanzees? And forcing them to carry a pregnancy?

How would Green voters feel about that do you think?

letterem · 13/02/2022 01:49

@chillied

What happens at an online conference, how does the voting happen? Do they record all the names or is it just anonymously counted?
Hi, the count is anonymous. if you are still a member and can bear to attend conference , please do, because the party is sunk if this kind of thing is voted in. And if you are a member who is considering leaving, please write to your local party representative and tell them exactly what you think of what is going on.
vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 13/02/2022 01:43

I've been around here for long enough to remember when it was all fields and trees.

And I can remember when the Green Party was all about fields and trees.

What the fuck is going on? How has the untruth that it is possible for a sexually dimorphic species can change sex become an environmental issue?

FFS. I voted green. I'd quite like the planet to not die. I'm not convinced that plastics are ok as long as they are in breast implants and lip fillers. Fucking sell outs.

chillied · 13/02/2022 01:21

What happens at an online conference, how does the voting happen? Do they record all the names or is it just anonymously counted?

Whatiswrongwithmyknee · 13/02/2022 00:48

What world do we live in when not wanting men in women's prisons, sports and on all women shortlists is seen as extremist? It's scary.

letterem · 13/02/2022 00:14

I have just been alerted to this thread. It is quite incredible that the Green Party has got to this point. For people who are supposed to care about the environment they seem quite prepared to see the party burn.

And so much for the code of conduct clause 8:
“Freedom of expression - Members’ right to freedom of thought, conscience and belief should be respected.”

There are 50,000 party members and most of them are blissfully unaware that the party line is males are female.

BTW. Ani Stafford Townsend is not a woman. They are a female non binary person. It is very important to maintain civil, open dialogue during an authoritarian purge.

PronounssheRa · 12/02/2022 19:14

@WarriorN

I think they all live in a fantasy world now. People read crap on tumbler and think it's scientific fact.
Too much time gaming, they think a uterus is plug and play.
DdraigGoch · 12/02/2022 19:08

@drum123

On the subject of a baby being born from an implanted uterus, how would it be reported i? 'A man has given birth' - nope, that's transphobic as TWAW. 'A transwoman has given birth' - transphobic again for the same reason. 'A woman has given birth' - well, that's no good, no one would pay any attention to that. 'A person who is a man, but says he is a woman, has given birth' - that's the closest to the truth and perfectly covers the batshit craziness of it all. I suppose it would depend on how much attention the new uterus haver craved - and we all know how much that would be!
Presumably it would have to be buy c-section because there's no way a baby would get through a male's hips.
WarriorN · 12/02/2022 18:52

I think they all live in a fantasy world now. People read crap on tumbler and think it's scientific fact.