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'they've got an absolute army behind them' - women's cooperative constellation in Scotland

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DomesticatedZombie · 11/02/2022 11:01

An interesting paper on grassroots organising in Scotland in light of GRA reform:

'a new women's cooperative constellation has been established in Scotland around the issue of the Scottish Government's proposed reforms of the Gender Recognition Act. This constellation includes women politicians, researchers, journalists, writers, and activists from all sides of mainstream political opinion in Scotland. The constellation works together to support its politician members, share information and form a supportive community. The constellation acts together to show support for those in the public eye, such as politicians or members being publicly attacked, to make them aware they have ‘an army of women behind them’. The role social media plays has been an important one for the formation and continuance of the constellation, particularly during the pandemic. It has been game-changing in allowing women to identify each other, communicate, arrange to work together and show public support for others. It has also been important in raising awareness of the issues, both with politicians and the general public'

www.euppublishing.com/doi/full/10.3366/scot.2022.0394?fbclid=IwAR3eShVOpPKmEnKSeKcU4PFfaJv18aESlYls2_qrmIDXo0XW7WtmUyImTFM

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EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 19/03/2022 11:31

I thought of this today when I read this piece in The Critic and it's been a constant presence when remembering that Maya Forstater's tribunal is only happening because it has been crowdfunded.

Mumsnet has 30k ostentatious posts a day about nappies which draw the eye away from the small but seditious “sex and gender” board where mothers go to be radicalised. These places are where resources, templates, petitions and strategies are built by the anonymous to force Government to at least meet and hear concerns. So far, no good.

thecritic.co.uk/women-wont-wheesht/

Jux · 11/02/2022 19:19

I'm sorry about that too, it's a real loss. Thanks for what you do, you're appreciated here ⭐️

YetAnotherSpartacus · 11/02/2022 17:37

Subaltern is a fantastic description.

I’m sorry you have been denounced and cancelled for your work, Sarah.

Janie143 · 11/02/2022 17:11

There's even a 'dossier' on me out there. It has been used to remove me from various engagements
Yep we cannot be allowed to talk.

DomesticatedZombie · 11/02/2022 16:43

Shock That is outrageous.

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SarahPedersen · 11/02/2022 16:25

There's even a 'dossier' on me out there. It has been used to remove me from various engagements.

DomesticatedZombie · 11/02/2022 16:23

Also, sorry. Flowers

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DomesticatedZombie · 11/02/2022 16:23

Denunciations? FFS. I suppose it shows you've hit a nerve. Hmm

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SarahPedersen · 11/02/2022 16:20

@DomesticatedZombie One has to pick one's journals very very carefully. Am still slightly traumatised from the denunciations I received when the Mumsnet book came out.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 11/02/2022 16:16

[quote SarahPedersen]@PerkingFaintly thank you!

If you are interested in some other stuff I have recently had published about gender-critical women and Mumsnet (and the suffragettes) see www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14680777.2022.2032788 (it is open access so freely available).[/quote]
Looking up some of the quotations from there was a blast from the past—thank you!

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3379775-Im-conflicted-about-suffragettes-WSPUs-violence-and-adopting-their-flag-colours-for-contemporary-purposes

It was bracing to see Jean Hatchet's call to action again but wretched to see where we are 3.5 years later.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3379775-Im-conflicted-about-suffragettes-WSPUs-violence-and-adopting-their-flag-colours-for-contemporary-purposes?msgid=81426475

DomesticatedZombie · 11/02/2022 16:16

It is all so frustrating because the women I spoke to for the article all have so much to offer in terms of women's politics and wider issues, and yet have to spend so much energy on this one issue.

Absofuckinglutely.

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DomesticatedZombie · 11/02/2022 16:15

Yo, Sarah, brilliant to see you here. Grin

you will understand that not all journals are open to articles discussing gender-critical feminism

  • what, they won't even talk about it, not even to say it's really, really naughty and bigoted and horrible?!
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PerkingFaintly · 11/02/2022 16:06

Ooh, thank you. I shall read that later.

Your previous talk led me to The Aberdeen Women's Suffrage Campaign project, which greatly interests me with its emphasis on mapping.

suffrageaberdeen.co.uk

SarahPedersen · 11/02/2022 15:57

@PerkingFaintly thank you!

If you are interested in some other stuff I have recently had published about gender-critical women and Mumsnet (and the suffragettes) see www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14680777.2022.2032788 (it is open access so freely available).

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 11/02/2022 15:06

@HelloKeith

Constellation >> Island >> Army >> Nest Grin

Do we get ranks now? Can I be a Major, I can't pronounce Subaltern.

Subble-tun. I think.
PerkingFaintly · 11/02/2022 15:05

It is all so frustrating because the women I spoke to for the article all have so much to offer in terms of women's politics and wider issues, and yet have to spend so much energy on this one issue.

YES! This really stands out for me.

I'm sure it's not accidental this situation has been created.

PerkingFaintly · 11/02/2022 15:03

Prof Pedersen! I saw the para in the OP and thought, "I recognise that style."

I too very much enjoyed your talk about your book.

SarahPedersen · 11/02/2022 14:46

Thank you! I really enjoyed doing i

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 11/02/2022 14:44

It is all so frustrating because the women I spoke to for the article all have so much to offer in terms of women's politics and wider issues, and yet have to spend so much energy on this one issue.

Agreed: the opportunity costs of this are extraordinary and they divert precious resources. Nonetheless, there are fundamental rights as a sex class that have to be asserted.

@SarahPedersen - I hugely enjoyed the discussion about your book with Selina Todd.

SarahPedersen · 11/02/2022 13:59

Things are coming to a boiling point in Scotland. Lots of things planned to raise awareness of women's concerns.
But I can't see how it will end at the moment.
It is all so frustrating because the women I spoke to for the article all have so much to offer in terms of women's politics and wider issues, and yet have to spend so much energy on this one issue.

SarahPedersen · 11/02/2022 13:57

The Woman's Hour interview was certainly... interesting. It was clear that the interviewer really really didn't want to talk about the GRA. And the whole thing ended up being the basis of a complaint from groups like Woman's Place UK and FiLiA, and an article by Julie Bindel. Not because of anything I had said! They have all been very supportive of my work and Julie wrote the blurb. But because of a comment by the interviewer.

Swear · 11/02/2022 13:57

How do you predict the situation developing, 1) in Scotland and 2) in England?

WinterTrees · 11/02/2022 13:54

SarahPedersen, I remember your excellent Woman's Hour appearance! Back in the days when WH still had to have the smelling salts on hand for any mention of the "controversial" and "toxic on both sides" issue of men colonising womanhood

SarahPedersen · 11/02/2022 13:44

Sort of. I argue in my book that social media, and particularly sites such as Mumsnet, offer a safe space for women to share information and discuss and debate issues. While we are certainly having much more discussion in the mainstream media about the plans to reform the GRA, five years ago it was a very different situation and places like Mumsnet were essential to keep that conversation going.

I am not sure how I can prove that I am me, although I think the webchat I did here to discuss my book will still be available somewhere...

Swear · 11/02/2022 13:41

So sort of like a resistance movement?