Dylan Moran

What I LOATHE is an insipid comedian repeating a mantra and getting an obligatory round of applause from the obedient audience because the Cultural Revolution demands that we all believe TWAW and we all hate TERFS. It's not funny. It's not even hack, it's not a joke, so get it out your set and write a joke

Is it kind of the modern equivalent of the mother-in-law joke? I do get the same vibe from these Wokoid comedians as I did from lazy 70s/80s comedians. Not actually exploring anything thoughtfully.

There was a reason so-called "alternative comedy" (like the aforementioned Ben Elton) arose in the 80s.

Ben Elton is GC. Saw him on tour a few years ago. Totally recommend. I gather that his latest books also take up the issue

I wasn't too sure about Tim Michin when I went to see him in Blackpool. I think this song 'shame' sums up cancel society and he does talk about the left purists and any degree of difference you are shamed. He also mentioned if you return to an argument just calling someone a bigot, you've lost the argument. But he made a comment about JK which I thought was ambiguous, but I could have just misunderstood! Especially as a recent Instagram post of the Australian religious rights bill shows he's a moderate leftie.

I saw a few comics this year though and literally all their acts were 'oh isn't working from home hard, my wife's got a really annoying voice.' Saw thing at the Fringe with four comics all doing the same riff. Could have spent a few hours on MN and got the same jokes for free, tbh.

If you get the chance to see Simon Evans show The Work of the Devil you should. Talking about the content will spoil the show but its about identity but tackled intelligently, though it does start off quite Daily Mail. It made me think a lot, which I like.

Damn, this is depressing. I have already bought a ticket for Moran’s tour this year, on the strength of loving his “Black
books” series. I may have to walk out of the show if he starts on any misogynist twaw crap.

I meant Mark Watson not Mark Wilson. I doubt he's on MN but sorry anyway.

I'm so upset at what Eddie Izzard has become.I used to love him

Same here. What happened to "These are not women's clothes. I bought them. These are my clothes."

How the hell do you go from that to saying you have a "girl mode" and wearing fake breasts?

I'm so upset at what Eddie Izzard has become.
I used to love him
I had to unfollow him. I avoid things with him in, he just annoys me so much now.
He's very much male when it suits him and it's to his advantage. Fuck. Off.

We saw Dylan Moran a couple of years ago in Edinburgh, and wished we hadn’t. I can’t remember any of the content of his show, just that he seemed bemused about why he was there, forgot half of his jokes/stories half way through… it was sad and if he hadn’t spent a lot of the act talking about drinking herbal tea as he didn’t drink anymore I’d have thought he was recovering from the previous nights hangover. I wish we’d just been left with the memories of when he was good tbh.

Very pleased to hear that Tim Minchin has not swallowed the gender woo. I always get the impression that he respects women.

Al Murray - anyone who is interested in history and hosts a podcast about the Second World War surely won’t have a huge amount of truck with sending male sex offenders into women’s prisons. Also I know this is tangential but he’s been on The Rest is History, and the co- host of that Dominic Sandbrooke is very GC.

What I LOATHE is an insipid comedian repeating a mantra and getting an obligatory round of applause from the obedient audience because the Cultural Revolution demands that we all believe TWAW and we all hate TERFS. It's not funny. It's not even hack, it's not a joke, so get it out your set and write a joke

This.

I deliberately go and see comedians that I don't agree with at the Fringe.

Reginald D Hunter is a misogynist - but he makes it funny.
Frankie Boyle, the early years - absolutely vile, but brutally funny. Lost it now.

What I LOATHE is an insipid comedian repeating a mantra and getting an obligatory round of applause from the obedient audience because the Cultural Revolution demands that we all believe TWAW and we all hate TERFS. It's not funny. It's not even hack, it's not a joke, so get it out your set and write a joke.

I went to see Jen Ives last year, "Peak Terf". I won't be rude about someone's work, but I will say that it struck me it was the only show at the venue which didn't sell out.

I'm rather looking forward to seeing what Mary Bourke does at Edinburgh. A full hour of GC stuff from her would be fantastic.

I don't see it as a matter of only wanting to expose myself to people with the same opinions as me, but being really put off by people who use their platform for aggressive anti-women rhetoric, or mocking and shaming feminists.

I'm guessing that few Jewish people will now be buying tickets for Jimmy Carr's shows, or people from the GRT community. I'm guessing that Jim Davidson's audience is mostly made up of white people. For similar reasons I would avoid Stewart Lee, Josie Long, Marcus Brigstocke, Nish Kumar, Rosie Jones and all the rest of the people who have joyfully signalled their willingness to shame women for standing up for the rights they won after generations of relentless struggle and lives lost.

However I went to see Nish Kumar last year. He's very much TWAW and ver leftwing (which I no longer consider myself) but apart from calling himself cis gender and mentioning transphobia a couple of times, it wasn't a big deal. He still made me laugh a lot.

Just to add to the discussion is how some well known atheists (Matt Dilahunty and Mr Atheist/Jimmy Snow) have fallen for TWAW.

They say magic words cannot change a cracker into a bit of a body, yet they push the magic words making a man a woman.

I’m trying not to get put off comedians when they disagree with me on this, because I know it doesn’t mean they’re bad people. It’s really hard though.

My favourite Dylan Moran show remains How Do You Want Me (RIP Charlotte Coleman, Emma Chambers, and Frank Finlay)
I loved this show too, though how weird that they are all dead now?

I'm happy to laugh while disagreeing, I'm not going to buy tickets to Jimmy Carr but I'd love to see Moran again or Stewart Lee. Mark Wilson is 100% TWAW and that comes from a bottomless well of loveliness and the choice of such strong women as partners that I think he genuinely can't see any women as vulnerable. He dislikes MN but even that is expressed as sympathy for us. He's lovely and very funny. Why limit ourselves to people who agree with us?

He's a critical thinker so it would be strange if he suddenly came out batting for woo

As you say, that makes it all the more puzzling when people who pitch themselves like that start spouting the crap. Looking at you Stuart Lee. I can only assume their misogyny and ambition outweighs their vanity