Why surrogacy should be banned

@OchonAgusOchonOh I’m not condoning her use of a surrogate, as I said. She already had two healthy children. I just think if a real person is going to be used as an example of something then their experience should be described accurately, not made up/minimised to fit a particular narrative.

The primal wound and the effect of separation of mother and baby on the child growing up is often mentioned. But imagine growing up and finding that your parents bought you cheap,y from an impoverished woman and left her to take her chances with war (or earthquake in the case of the Nepal babies). Imagine finding out just how heartless and irresponsible your parents were. Won't these children grow up and wonder what happened to their mothers?

British couple in Ukraine say they need to leave but can't get the emergency travel
Documents for the baby they bought.

So it didn't stop people during global pandemic and it won't stop them under the threat of war. The U.K. officials will help of course, but these two very serious events haven't stopped people exploiting the poor women of Ukraine and buying babies from this country.

www.thenational.scot/news/national/19920494.families-face-anxious-wait-ukraine-born-babies-issued-uk-passports/

Did you notice that the surrogate mother wasn't mentioned? Not even as 'surrogate'.

There’s a British couple in the Ukraine doing sad face stories because the baby born by surrogate hasn’t got a passport so they’re stuck there. They went to Ukraine because of their liberal surrogacy laws and now want help.

They'll get out and leave the baby's mother to take her chances with war.

Reminds me of when Israel chartered a jet to fly out the babies born via surrogate mother at the time of the Nepal earthquake, leaving the mothers to take their chances.

Luggage I have just read that too. I do hope they get out, the poor baby doesn't deserve this on top of everything else.

@Silverswirl
Oh I can only assume you're asking me because you think if I haven't experienced infertility then I should keep my mouth shut on such issues....am I right?

@lavendarleopards no I’m sorry- you are reaching. Not really all that likely.

There’s a British couple in the Ukraine doing sad face stories because the baby born by surrogate hasn’t got a passport so they’re stuck there. They went to Ukraine because of their liberal surrogacy laws and now want help.

Makes me so angry, they’ve basically just bought a baby and now people are saying oh the government must help them, this is terrible blah blah.

Remember that Australian surrogacy case?

Rich commissioning parents… sorry I mean baby traffickers, had a poor Thai woman carry twins for them. The little boy was born with Down’s Syndrome, so they took his sister and left him with his mother, who was not planning on raising a disabled child.

They deprived that baby girl of her mother and brother. They treated the little boy like a disposable, defective piece of rubbish.

Oh and the icing on the cake?

Commissioning dad was a sex offender.

But yeah surrogacy is wonderful and altruistic and isn’t it great that poor women in developing nations get to put their lives at risk to carry and then sell their children to people from rich countries.

Babies know their mother by which I mean the person who gave birth to them, it's extremely traumatic to be taken from her. I suggest any doubters read 'The Primal Wound' if they do not accept that. Obviously it has to happen sometimes, for example if the mother dies, in which case everyone else involved must do their best to compensate, but that is not the case with surrogacy. It is deliberate.

For the record, I do know something about babies separated from their mothers; I was an adopted child and my parents were infertile.

(obviously it's also about the mental health and wellbeing of young surrogates being coerced but my primary concern is with the infant who will go through a highly traumatic event from birth)

I'm opposed to surrogacy. I'm also opposed to infant adoption (particularly the way young girls are preyed upon in American adoption culture).

It's not about the woman carrying. It's about the very real trauma it gives a small child. The primal wound is real.

I think the pictures of people, some of them very young, showing the scars from where they have sold a kidney is heartbreaking. They have shown them from Afghanistan recently on Sky news, don't know if they have been on other news channels.

Good point NotBadConsidering

Risks of harm apply in every medical procedure. I recently saw a shocking case of a man who donated his kidney to his father and the surgery went wrong, he needed 100 units of blood and has ended up on dialysis and needing a kidney transplant himself. He has been awarded several million compensation due to the negligence of the surgeon.

The world has gone mad.

I note people have mentioned adoption of children but adoption is a completely different scenario to surrogacy.

Do sisters who say they want to be a surrogate go through this? What research exists to look at the psychological impacts? What guidelines and ethical practices do fertility clinics follow before accepting a sibling relationship as suitable for surrogacy?

And yet none of the Kardashian sisters stepped up to help a sister in need.
God knows they missed a marketing opportunity.
Kardashian branded anti-thrombosis stockings, support leggings, stretch mark cream, haemorrhoid cream...

This women had a cardiac arrest during birth

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10502899/amp/Mother-three-pictured-moments-suffering-two-fatal-heart-attacks-following-C-section.html

There's more than one kind of surrogacy - a sister carrying a baby for her sister whose had cancer surgery and cannot carry a baby is not the same as hiring a commercial surrogate.

I disagree with commercial surrogacy but for close friends and relatives I'm more on the fence

Whether those pregnancies were healthy or not, whether the arrival of her birth children were traumatic or not - she had two healthy children. Most women would have stopped there, considered themselves lucky and would not take further risks with their own health and pursue additional pregnancies/children potentially resulting life-long health problems. If they wanted a larger family they then might consider fostering or adoption or find other fulfilment to ease the pain of not being able to have more children. A family with 2 healthy children is a wonderful place to be.

She chose not to. Why? Because she is swimming in cash and can buy babies from other women. She can pay other women to have babies for her. Women who would probably considered themselves lucky to be able to have such an opportunity to get a lump sum income (spread over a number of months) and be able to spend the same amount of time with their kids, simply by being pregnant, a service someone is paying you for and will also pay for cosmetic treatments and maybe a holiday at the end (as was rumoured for the Kardashian-West commissioning parents).

I notice none of 4 the sisters in the Kardashian family have offered to have a baby for Khloe who also has a healthy child and now has some kind of issue or aversion to another pregnancy. Surrogacy isn't something that seems to come as naturally to Khloe as it did to Kim.