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Husband transitioning help!

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LifeIsAGameYouCannotWin · 10/02/2022 12:57

Hi all, name change for this. DH has been talking about transitioning for many years now. I was pretty much in denial the whole time, thinking maybe he's a cross dresser, etc. Anyway I'm now realizing that he is serious. We have very good relationships, he's fully aware of how it affects me and our child. He loves me very much but as much as I want this to go away I can't accept his sacrifice of not transitioning and not being himself. He will eventually transition but I guess it's best done when he's still young. Anyway I'm all over the place and don't know how to navigate this long journey. I said I will fully support him but I don't think I will stay with him, we'll see I might who knows. Is there anyone hear who can talk to me about it? I'm afraid of what the future holds for us, I'm worrying about my kid, is he going to be bullied? Is this going to traumatize him? What to do?

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Doubletoilandtrouble · 10/02/2022 21:23

OP, really centre yourself in this. And your child. Life will throw so much at us unexpectedly (speaking from experience) and you need to make sure that you are living a life you are ok with.

Also consider how much support you are able to give and for how long time before you are completely exhausted. I won’t presume to speak for any transwidows but I believe that many men who transitions indeed go through a terrible time and for very long. I would worry that this means that there will be less space for you and your feelings/hurts/crises, especially if you also need to be strong for your child. Children can go through a lot (grief, bullying, school issues, friendship issues) completely unrelated to your DH and you will need to be able to support your child as well.

I know from experience how draining it can be to support people emotionally and physically. Don’t forget yourself in all this. Your life and happiness matters too. And a marriage needs to be about mutual emotional support - especially as your child will need all your strength at times.

DrSbaitso · 10/02/2022 21:21

no transexual I know thinks he's become the birth mother

Then what is meant by "mother"?

LifeIsAGameYouCannotWin · 10/02/2022 21:21

@FlakeyFish thank you so much! I do want to hear about happy endings whether it means staying together or not.

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borntobequiet · 10/02/2022 21:21

Those of us who don't feel like this have no idea what this must feel like.

Could be said about any disease or disorder, mental or physical, by those who don’t suffer from it. It doesn’t make it special, and it doesn’t often help to pander to people’s delusions. Some people think they would be better off without their legs (or some other organ or limb). They feel they were never “meant” to have them. Should they be encouraged or allowed to simply cut them off? Probably not.
“Feeling like a woman” is so nebulous as to be impossible to define (apart from as a set of stereotypes, which very many women wouldn’t conform to or recognise).

Strugglingwifeofatrans · 10/02/2022 21:19

"And your son's father will never be and should never be "mum"
a) that completely disrespects and ignores your physical risk in conceiving bearing, and giving birth; as well as your emotional labour in raising your DS.
b) he is his DS's biological father, and your DS deserves to know that clearly and unequivocally."

I really dont think it does disrespect and ignore the physical risk of giving birth no transexual I know thinks he's become the birth mother and my DH is proud of the fact that he is our children biological father.
This for me and my children is not the issue no one including my DH and children are disputing either of the above statements.

IWillBeSeeingYou · 10/02/2022 21:15

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Strugglingwifeofatrans · 10/02/2022 21:14

*"You would be right to say I have no idea how this must feel - and it must be awful. I have only compassion.

I would worry, though, that the reality of presenting full time as a woman could fall short of the fantasy and cause extra issues. I have no doubt that it can become all consuming as someone becomes ever closer to the idea in their head, but ever so slightly misses the mark - because of body hair or jaw shape, small hips, deep voice. So it may actually increase the dysphoria a little due to it being an unobtainable thing in the end.

Could it make things worse?

I don't know whether you have any thoughts on that?"*
lifeissweet I think this is the dilemma for many with gender dysphoria as I said above my DH with all the best will in the world looks no more life a women than I look like a caterpillar. Many will do electrolysis voice training plastic surgery etc to try and make themselves look more feminine. But the psychiatrist said to my `dh you'll be an "overweight post menopausal women" if you transition he's never going to look like Elle McPherson even if money was unlimited! He has no illusions That is why he attends counselling to ascertain that he really understands what this means practically and much as anything else I suspect few make the decision overnight however strong there internal desire is to be the opposite sex.I also suspect this is why many marry have children etc because they know the alternative is not that great. IMO those who still go-ahead are actually brave because they know that in the vast majority of cases that how ever much they try they still will look like a man dressed a women. I guess its easier for women who transition to men. Maybe the reason why I've met happier older transexuals because older people in general are more invisible anyway in our age obsessed culture; just a thought.

LaChanticleer · 10/02/2022 21:02

But what is the truth?

Humans can't change sex.

And your son's father will never be and should never be "mum"
a) that completely disrespects and ignores your physical risk in conceiving bearing, and giving birth; as well as your emotional labour in raising your DS.
b) he is his DS's biological father, and your DS deserves to know that clearly and unequivocally.

Strugglingwifeofatrans · 10/02/2022 21:02

"I think your DH will probably end up with someone else as well, that's why I'm suggesting you move on with your life now."
OP do not let anyone tell you what do do with regard to the relationship between you and your DH. It is solely up to you and what feels right fir you.
If you can find yourself a good counsellor/therapist and consider all the options and with their help decide which is the best for you and your situation (not the one someone you dont know of the internet tells is). This way you will feel in control of the situation and will make the right decision for you at the time.
I have have had a few well meaning friends tell me I should do X Y and Z all this did was confuse me and increase my anxiety and made me feel I had to defend my decisions when I wasn't doing what they suggested which increased my anxiety further.. I don't generally scream see a therapist at the drop of a hat but in this situation you need too (its taken me many years to come forward for proper structured help). A good one will will encourage you to explore all your options and will support you in any decisions you make. Have you spoken to your GP ours has a therapist attached to the surgery so its free. Some work places also offer staff support/counselling. I think the biggest mistakes I made was putting off finding a counsellor to discuss my options partly because I was afraid to look at what my options were because I could only see negative outcomes and because you get so many reactions like this seen on this thread and I was just wary of having to explain my situation.

lifeissweet · 10/02/2022 20:57

@Strugglingwifeofatrans

"The truth is that humans can’t change sex.' But they can change how the world perceives them. Many transexuals want to be seen as women (or a man) they want to have the outward appearance of being a women or a man because inside they feel they are a women or a man but are presenting the world as they opposite sex. Those of us who don't feel like this have no idea what this must feel like.A psychiatrist I know who worked solely with transexuals for most of his wokring life said I just cant imagine what this feels like, its not important to me because I am what I appear I don't even have to think about it. But for those with gender dysmorphia its not like this inside they feel they are a women or a man but are presenting to the word in the opposite sex and they find this exceedingly difficult. How can this of us who dint feel like this comprehend it?
You would be right to say I have no idea how this must feel - and it must be awful. I have only compassion.

I would worry, though, that the reality of presenting full time as a woman could fall short of the fantasy and cause extra issues. I have no doubt that it can become all consuming as someone becomes ever closer to the idea in their head, but ever so slightly misses the mark - because of body hair or jaw shape, small hips, deep voice. So it may actually increase the dysphoria a little due to it being an unobtainable thing in the end.

Could it make things worse?

I don't know whether you have any thoughts on that?

timeisnotaline · 10/02/2022 20:54

I doubt theres a transexual out there particularly a married one with children who wouldn't do anything to take these feelings away and live a normal life if it was possible.
You don’t have to ‘doubt’- there are many stories out there about people who have very much been like this and focussed on themselves only. The op seems very convinced that her dh isn’t one of those and I hope she’s right. What is true is that transitioning for married men never seems to involve picking up extra of the housework and parenting load to generate a truly equal parenting relationship, perhaps more women would welcome it if it did.

ScrollingLeaves · 10/02/2022 20:53

“Strugglingwifeofatrans”

“As far as Im aware there are no "issues in childhood that lead to this, my DH has seen psychiatrists and been told it has nothing to do with your childhood“

Of course there can be issues from childhood. He just didn’t happen to see any psychiatrist who understood/admitted that.
I understand though that that might well not be true in your DH’s case.

Strugglingwifeofatrans · 10/02/2022 20:49

"The truth is that humans can’t change sex.'
But they can change how the world perceives them. Many transexuals want to be seen as women (or a man) they want to have the outward appearance of being a women or a man because inside they feel they are a women or a man but are presenting the world as they opposite sex.
Those of us who don't feel like this have no idea what this must feel like.A psychiatrist I know who worked solely with transexuals for most of his wokring life said I just cant imagine what this feels like, its not important to me because I am what I appear I don't even have to think about it. But for those with gender dysmorphia its not like this inside they feel they are a women or a man but are presenting to the word in the opposite sex and they find this exceedingly difficult. How can this of us who dint feel like this comprehend it?

Cameleongirl · 10/02/2022 20:43

@GrandmasCat

I only read the first post so apologies if there have been other updates that make this comment irrelevant but, I think you will have a better experience of this than other people may have as you are starting from a place of compassion and acceptance that he is who he is.

I have a friend who transitioned a good amount of years ago, it was a very difficult decision as he was a family man and very involved with his kids… and still is. The kids, now teenagers, still call him dad and are still very close. His, or her,, life has changed a lot, Nice fulfilling job, lots of hobbies and sports, has a good friendship group (old and new) and now a husband of ten years.

I don’t think, however, that you will be the best person to support him on this as you also need space to mourn the person who he is no longer going to be. He will need his space to grow into his new persona and you will need your space to rebuild your life as well.

This post is telling, OP. The friend who transitioned still has a great relationship with their children and now a husband of ten years.

So the mother of their children is no longer their partner, they have a male partner.

I think your DH will probably end up with someone else as well, that's why I'm suggesting you move on with your life now.

Echobelly · 10/02/2022 20:42

Honestly if your child is very young it sounds better for DC's wellbeing to 'rip off the plaster' and your partner to transition sooner rather than later, even if the immediate cost may be your marriage. I agreed indebtedness would not be a healthy dynamic if DH is holding off because he feels he has to do it for you.

You know your DH better than anyone here, so I hope relations stay as positive as they can.

Spookytooth · 10/02/2022 20:42

@Lordamighty

But what is the truth

The truth is that humans can’t change sex.

Yes true. But he can live as if he is a woman (or what he believes is a woman) and others can treat him the way he asks to be treated - pronouns, new name etc
TinselAngel · 10/02/2022 20:41

There are guidelines which I cant find. You have to see a psychiatrist even to see a private one the wait can be over a year who will recommend if your suitable for hormone therapy they also expect you to go for counselling with a suitably qualified counsellor who will also make recomendations.

Look I'm not here to fall out with other trans widows.

You describe the process accurately, the year that you mention was the worst of my life (although it's got strong competition from the year that I suddenly lost the Dad that I adored).

The point I was making is that there is not a thorough process of talking therapy and exploration as part of the GIC, at least not one that is likely to result in anyone changing their mind. This sort of thing is expensive and the process in under resourced.

Women should know this so that they don't hope their husband will change his mind.

You will not have sought support from Trans Widows Voices unless you have posted on the Escape Committee threads here. I should know, I run it.

We should not be lumped in with the Beaumont Society etc as we are completely independent of any trans organisation.

Your initial advice to the OP Strugglingwifeofatrans was excellent. She needs to centre herself. My advice to women in this situation is always that they need to live a life with boundaries, where they are free to choose their own direction. The alternative is being dragged along in somebody else's wake. Lurching from crisis to debilitating crisis.

I'd also say that looking after yourself involves hardening your heart to whatever "struggles" your husband is going through. It clouds your judgment as to what is best for you and your children.

What is life like after, you ask OP? It's freedom.it's not without its struggles but it's freedom from being a support human and cheerleader.

Greengate66 · 10/02/2022 20:40

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Strugglingwifeofatrans · 10/02/2022 20:40

"If possible get your husband into therapy. Because transitioning is not going to solve his problems."
Are you suggesting therapy will stop him feeling like the overwhelming need to transition that therapy will take it all away? You clearly know absolutely nothing about it if you believe this.
I've met quite a few transexuals over the years whose problems have solved by transitioning and of course some who's problems haven't.IME those who transition when they are older; middle aged and upwards transexual are often happier. They have often been happily married have children etc and have wrestled with this all their lives. The happiest one I met (professionally for a different reason) transitioned at 69 after a marriage three children and a successful career he was a changed person, he explained rather movingly how he was finally allowed to be himself. Obviously the ex wife may have a different take in it, Bu tit its not uncommon for many partners to remain supportive.
The famous travel writer and trans sexual Jan Morris wrote a book called Conundrum the title IMO sums up the whole situation for many.

Lordamighty · 10/02/2022 20:37

But what is the truth

The truth is that humans can’t change sex.

Ellowyn · 10/02/2022 20:32

This is not what you signed up for. If my husband decided he was a (70 year old) woman, I'd toss him out so quick it'd make your head spin.

NameChangesforNoman · 10/02/2022 20:31

Op as long as he is holding off you will feel indebted and that’s not a dynamic you need to fuel. Also it’s unlikely now that he’s been this upfront that he’ll be able to stop it anyway.

IWillBeSeeingYou · 10/02/2022 20:29

I’m sorry you’re going through this op it must be awful.

It does piss me off though when’s transwomen are considered lesbians. As a lesbian, males can never be women. Lesbians are same sex attracted, that’s a fact that will never change.

Strugglingwifeofatrans · 10/02/2022 20:25

@Redwinestillfine

Thinking practically op try and protect yourself. How is he paying for the transition? Can you get a legal document drawn up so you don't loose out in any future divorce as he's spent it on his new body? Will he be paying for councellig for you and your child to work through all o this? How else will this impact your life and how can he make that up to you? Don't let him make this all about him. You are being more thaand understanding and
If you can I would strongly suggest that you go to couples counselling and try and work out a how all these things are going to work maybe after he has worked out where he want to go. Getting lawyers involved in the very begining may make the situation acrimonious I personally have avoided going onto war with my partner unless course you want that. " How else will this impact your life and can he make that up to you?" Personally I don't believe that he has to make anything up to you anymore the you do. OP you need to take control of your life work out what you want and and try and make your own life no expect him to help you make a new life. You clearly love him and want to support him and its right to expect him to support you too but when the chips are down it's you who has to make a different life for yourself. I know form personal experience that its very difficult and also very lonely at times, but its from only within you that you'll really find the strength too do this and support from him is just a lovely add-on. .
LifeIsAGameYouCannotWin · 10/02/2022 20:18

@Thewindwhispers

The only thing I will say is make the priority your child, not your husband. When your child asks questions about what it means to be male and female, and what daddy has done to his body, and when you find yourself torn between telling the truth or instead describing the ‘artificial reality’ that transitioning people seek to create, please choose to tell your child the truth.

If possible get your husband into therapy. Because transitioning is not going to solve his problems.

But what is the truth?
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