Stonewall's response to Transgender Trend

To add - I have also not found any evidence for the improvement in mental health for young people who have been affirmed and go on to medicalisation. Short-term perhaps, and the effects of testosterone itself in girls - but not at 1, 2, 5, 10, 15 yrs post-medicalisation and/or surgery.
The data isn’t out there - mostly because the younger cohort is still quite new, but also I’m not sure it’s being looked into actively?

That would be essential information, and to be collated and examined from the outset, to ensure affirmation and medicalisation is the correct path, and also to gain insight into how early psychological support and analysis can be improved to capture young people for whom affirmation and medicalisation would actually be the worst possible pathway. SW & Mermaids are not taking account of stories from de-transitioners - in fact they are generally vilified.
Why is that?

That person hits a whole new level of stupid.

It looked like fear to me. Too scared to read what TT had to say in case they decided it was something they should have read 10 years ago, before all the testosterone treatment.

I don't believe poor mental health in kids demonstrating GD are any more at risk of suicide than any other young person experiencing poor mental health due to or manifesting in other ways - ED, being bullied etc. I have seen no scientific evidence for it at all. I have seen evidence that it is not true, however, and that suicide risk is no greater for GD.

This seems to be what the evidence suggests.

I wonder if the people who promote the idea that children with gender dysphoria have a high suicide rate (Mermaids, Stonewall etc) are aware that the effect of suggesting that these children are likely to be suicidal could lead to an increase in suicides and attempts.

My son has threatened suicide for years at school, because the school were not doing what he wanted (and his father threatened suicide constantly as part of his hissy fits).

my son got kicked out of school for weeks at a time over safe guarding issues because the school cant watch him all the time, they dont have the staff, he's disruptive etc, this mainly happened when he used to stand at the top of the stairs and threaten to throw himself down them.

He didnt get pandered too, just another SEN kid, he got sent to a special school for 2 terms but has started making the odd threat in secondary school now, they are not phased by it and his threats and behaviour have done nothing to speed up CAMHs assessing him as he's been waiting for a ASD and ADHD assessment for 6 years.

so I would like to know why all these organisations are so frightened of the Trans kids threatening suicide and why that threat works to get them pandered too, while everyone else is ignored.

I do remember a terrible case of a female child who'd transitioned to live as a boy who took their own life. They'd been bereaved of their mother beforehand. Bereavement really is a huge risk factor for suicide.

Great posts sacred 👏

well said sacredfeminina.

and its funny that adult men can be whatever they say they are, but kids especially girls are encouraged to have lifelong medical treatment.

its almost as if the position pushed is that man can be gender fluid they can have their cake and eat it do as the man says.

but girls who step outside their gender role by not playing with the right toys, not wearing the right clothing or fancying the right sex are faulty and need repairing by trying the best medical intervention available to make them into as near to men as possible.

we have not come that far since opinionated women where called hysterical have we.

This thread has gone a bit off-topic.

OP, even if you've been sent that as a reply in recent days, I'd go back and say you couldn't find any rebuttals supported by evidence, you assume that was a simple oversight, and could you please have the evidence that challenges what TT say in their guide?

To keep publically advertising that gender dysphoric kids commit suicide is to create that reality by making mentally unwell children believe that they will want to commit suocide of they are not affirmed. It is planting a seed.

If there was an increase in the number of suicides, that would sort of prove their point.

If stonewall/mermaids care so much about these children then why are they not funding varied research? Why are they not having conversations about all possible solutions? Why are they not engaging with all different specialists accross many fields. Why are they not providing multiple solutions?

Quite.

The John Maddox Prize for Standing up for Science recognises the work of individuals who promote science and evidence, advancing the public discussion around difficult topics despite challenges or hostility.

She is forensic. Little wonder she is relentlessly targeted.

To keep publically advertising that gender dysphoric kids commit suicide is to create that reality by making mentally unwell children believe that they will want to commit suocide of they are not affirmed. It is planting a seed.

This. It's completely unethical. One of the main antecedents for child suicide is "suicide related internet use".

Threatening parents that their kids will 'commit suicide's if they don't affirm them is utterly unethical.

Suicide is a complex issue, and to pin it down to one reason is not possible. The Samaritan's say this. (Will find link)

To keep publically advertising that gender dysphoric kids commit suicide is to create that reality by making mentally unwell children believe that they will want to commit suocide of they are not affirmed. It is planting a seed.

It is manipulating parents to give on to their child's delusions. It is the strongest most powerful threat to a parent; the threat of harm to their child.
This way they stonewallermaids/GIDS can override the parent's natural and instinctive doubts of putting their children on a damaging lifelong medical pathway.

It is coercion. Let's coerce the people that protect this child into allowing us to medically interfere with them.

It's fucking sick.

If stonewall/mermaids care so much about these children then why are they not funding varied research? Why are they not having conversations about all possible solutions? Why are they not engaging with all different specialists accross many fields. Why are they not providing multiple solutions?

Because they are being funded by people who do not actually care about children.

Threatening the parents with suicide is a very effective way to get them to step aside.

'Trans' kids aren't commiting suicide. Gender dysphoric kids are.

I kept saying gender dysphoria children. I meant DYSPHORIC. damn thumbs.

All suicides are referred to the coroner so there are accurate figures for these.

People don't seem to understand this.

Which means it wouldn't be in the suicide figures that transgender trend are holding up as being low.

The audit report looks at being "LGBT" as a possible factor in child suicide.

Michael Biggs also looked at the audit report for child and young person suicides which backed up the GIDs figures. Transgender identity is not a major factor in child suicide.

@Ereshkigalangcleg - but that's not the point being made at all. The point that is being made is that that suicide will probably not be recorded as the death of a trans person. It will be recorded as the death of a girl.

Which means it wouldn't be in the suicide figures that transgender trend are holding up as being low.