Protest at MOJ in London, Saturday 12th

Any male with a GRC is classified as female, so the risk assessment tool for male sexual offenders isn’t used on them in prison or for probation… think about the ramifications of that. Violent male sexual offenders are being released into society without the correct risk assessments being done.

Geordieoldgirl Thank you.

I first heard Kate of KPSS on the Public Meetings organised by Baroness Nicholson. Everything that was done in prisons to help women, such as separate showering times, was appealed. They can't even use a separate risk assessment tool so anything you hear about mitigation by using risk assessment needs to be taken with a pinch of salt. It is inhumane.

I didn't know this. You are right, it's inhumane.

I’m sure there are many women who wanted to be there today but were afraid of the repercussions, for lots of reasons. I was one of them. I know this situation is barbaric and reflects appallingly on the government. The sooner they sort it out the better. I gather that prison governors hands are tied, this comes straight from government…I hope women prisoners know that there are many of us doing what we can, to raise awareness of the situation.just because we weren’t at the protest doesn’t mean we don’t care. This situation will change-it’s just horrific to know that female inmates are currently housed with some males convicted of sexual offences against women-who can justify that?

It's always the way isn't it? You ask the TQ+ lobby for ways of meeting female needs in this too and the answer is always NO. No mitigation, no protection, no care. Increasingly TQ+ 'rights' are the rights to oppress and distress women. It's not a bug, it's a feature. And there is zero good will or care on the TQ+ side.

And then they wail about the intolerance of females daring to protest.

childrenandwomenfirst.org/public-meetings

I first heard Kate of KPSS on the Public Meetings organised by Baroness Nicholson. Everything that was done in prisons to help women, such as separate showering times, was appealed. They can't even use a separate risk assessment tool so anything you hear about mitigation by using risk assessment needs to be taken with a pinch of salt. It is inhumane.

I have been following it on Twitter (I am a bot ) and it looked full of people I recognised in good humour making a good case.

Well done women. One day I will be along too.

Sorry I think I posted early. There were several speakers coming from different angles, so this is the overall picture that I remember.

The overwhelming majority of women in prison are not there for violent crimes, and they are frequently vulnerable people who have suffered male Violence, and are very different from male prisoners who are far more violent. Sex offenders in particular are overwhelmingly male and especially manipulative.

Trans women could be accommodated in men’s jails in their Units for vulnerable prisoners. However, they are already being placed in women’s jails (don’t remember numbers) The legality of this practice has been challenged by a woman inmate who was herself the victim of a sexual attack by one of them. But the courts found that this approach was legal on the basis of respecting the human rights of trans Women, which seem to be accorded greater importance than the need to accommodate women prisoners with dignity and safety.

The presence of trans women in women’s jails is at the very least disruptive and intimidating, and stops women participating in excercise, social, and enrichment activities. Any questioning or private conversations about the issue can lead to accusations of bullying and sanctions. It seems that trans women are treated with greater consideration than other inmates. They are allowed to use showers at the same time as women prisoners so they are able to expose themselves and violate women’s privacy. This breeds anxiety and fear and women have been subjected to sexual attacks.

The law needs to be reformed. There will be other protests in the future.

Geordieoldgirl

Can you tell us anymore about the accounts you heard?

Just back from protest. First time in about 30 years I have done anything like that, but I am So glad I went. Aghast to hear the accounts of what is happening in jails in the UK. It is madness.

Good luck with the protest. Hope there's a good turnout...... and dinosaurs!

And this was a previous thread on the article:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3129007-Enlightening-article-on-whataboutery

As the article says - it is not necessary to centre men and males in every single conversation about females. Conversations that don't focus on males are valid too.

victimfocusblog.com/2018/01/03/stop-asking-me-what-about-men/

Bumping for anyone who can come tomorrow.

I’ve heard that Julia Long will be there, so if you like singing…

goddamnit there was a very interesting article a few years ago. Written by a woman who ran a men's health charity. Then [from memory] she started a women's health charity.

She could not believe the attacks and whataboutery she faced. When running the men's charity there had been no negative comments. But the women's charity attracted all the 'but what about the men'.

So annoying - I cannot find it. Anyone else remember it? I am sure I found it though Mumsnet.

This was such an egregious example that it reminded me.

this sums it up I think.

Could you explain what this has to do with the price of fish?

I know, I know, a saying, but pretty funny to come after a quotation about a protest on the cost of living

It's just like there's a strategy. Bigot and terf have lost their meaning so now we are going to accuse you of not caring about the poor, without actually considering that a lot of the women in prison are poor, vulnerable, etc.

You see it on the "Would you vote Labour?" threads. If you don't vote Labour you don't care about the poor, apparently.

Nrtft. Going back to read more now.

Thanks for the reassurance! If not organised by KPSS, who is it organised by? I saw a video that Glinner shared - is it them?

Fnoz thanks am tilting now. Makes typing quite hard.

Good on everyone who can make it.

Of course women in the Brave New Republic of Scotland are not permitted to attend this type of protest as we're all required to stay at home at the weekend in case our overlords require snacks or support for furthering their causes which are all of course on the Right Side of History and much more important than any silly distracting feminist ideas.

Can't there be training courses on how to woman properly and appropriately? Books on what thoughts to think and how to dress? Although not sure how anyone's supposed to know by this point that they are someone who should be head tilting and thinking as they're told, as apparently biology isn't relevant to this position of subservience? I have a horrible feeling that by this point I'm probably a plant, or a small coffee table or something.

Would dearly love to come along, I am passionately angry about these poor women and the 'yes but a few women raped doesn't matter in the light of male people getting what they want and Boris being a twit....'

You have to be an absolute monster to believe that these women and what they are being subjected to is nothing important.