Louis Theroux: Sex work is valid work

Why will there be more punters

Either a man feels it’s ok to purchase sex or they don’t

We can bring our sons up to respect women more and change attitudes that sex is a desire not a need (which I feel drives male entitlement)

But that isn’t going to change everyone’s views

And morals so often go out of the window ….

“Clymene

He views the women as interesting zoo specimens. A curiosity“

@Clymene
I think this seems highly likely.

No it won’t it will just push it underground and make it more dangerous for women involved

When have laws or religion that for many holds more fear stopped men pursuing sex (forced or bought which is often forced)

@OhWhyNot

“I rather see women being protected from
pimps and violent clients and more with access to good sexual health screening. If we pretend it’s not there is it’s not work that doesn’t happen we just sweep this issues under the carpet“

How would they ever really be protected in practice?

Isn’t it like ‘legal’ ivory where the more that’s allowed the more it proliferates and the more trafficking will happen?

And Only Fans will come to be seen as a real job option for girls and women.

And there will be more punters because ‘it’s legal’ so moral/fine.

He views the women as interesting zoo specimens. A curiosity

He doesn't have to think about them too deeply because it's not something that will ever affect him. His sons are vanishingly unlikely to end up selling their bodies.

I said that it’s part of society that is not going to go away.

It could go away if strict laws were passed that punish the makers, distributors, and users.

Countries that have what we view as often progressive attitudes towards sex and what we value as progress in women’s rights have a thriving sex industry

As in the Netherlands which is sexist to the core and if you object you get told you are not 'progressive'? Just look at the two latest scandals with Ajax and the Voice. The Netherlands has a massive problem with the prevailing attitude towards women. I've lived through that for decades.

Plus as someone else pointed out, as women in the Netherlands also have other options such as education, there aren't enough prostitutes to meet demand. So poor women are trafficked in. And as being a prostitute is legal, no one checks on the situation anymore leaving the trafficked women to fend for themselves.

Progressive only seems to cater to men. As usual

Louis seems to have changed his tune on this. I remember reading an interview with him a while ago where he was asked what had disturbed him the most in his career and he said investigating porn and prostitution had been the most difficult.

[quote PurgatoryOfPotholes]Men will claim they support sex workers and scream “sex work is real work.” But at the end of the day, talk is cheap. They’ll buy your content and stop you from moving up in life.

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What a prick, Techbros love to parrot the ‘sex work is real work’ line and they love a ‘pet’ sex positive woman with tattoos who is non technical on the periphery so they can pretend they support women whilst sexually harassing technical women working in tech and sabotaging their career by any means possible at the same time.

So glad I’ve left, I miss the tech but don’t miss the rest

It is the oldest industry in the world

I really hate that stupid myth! Even more in its usual form, that prostitution is the oldest ‘profession’. Where’s the evidence that women sold access to their bodies before doing anything else that could be called work? Such as gathering food for more than their own use? Or tending animals? Or looking after other women’s children? Or making tools?

Such stupid, thoughtless bullshit.

Ach, they are all just a bunch of neo-Jim Davidsons who have convinced themselves they aren't repulsive thinkers because they don't say racist things.

Bugger to you, Louis. I see through your mask.

Basically it’s forced teaming again

I don’t judge people for liking porn

I do. Read the titles of the videos on the front page of a porn site. I absolutely judge someone who goes to a site that proudly proclaims it's full of women being abused like that.

Women being forced into marriage by society isn't them 'trading' their body for christ's sake! It's not a free choice like selling your handicrafts! It's for survival, it's coerced! Give women access to education, contraception, don't ban them from work, make sure everyone can have a roof over their head and food in their bellies, and see how many of them chose to be prostituted.

"Over privileged male expounds view on something that doesn’t affect him or anyone in his social circle

Next!!"

Pretty much.

Oh FFS!!!! 😑😑😑😑

And the misogyny is getting more subtle and yet more dangerous under the label of ‘progressivism’ all that time.

It really is.

I did wonder where LT's moral compass was on this as he has seen the damage that porn and prostitution does, he has no excuses. Other men can more easily turn a blind eye and prioritise their orgasms. But LT has interviewed women, heard their stories in their own words and still he normalises and glamourises the exploitation of women.

So as for his moral compass, well it turns out he doesn't have one. Yet another man willing to sacrifice women on the altar of his pleasure, and this one knows. What an arsehole.

I have Louis Theroux's Weird Weekends on DVD; it was the first DVD I ever owned. I don't recall that the overriding message was that this was a great career but will need to rewatch it. I do remember he seemed taken aback by the young lad from the sticks who was doing gay porn to pay the bills, describing him as "too nice" to get caught up in that sort of thing.

I have rewatched his original Jimmy Savile episode, as that makes for very interesting viewing.

But I think "sex work is work" sneakily pushes people in favour of argument 1 to find themselves supporting argument 2.

[quote PurgatoryOfPotholes]Men will claim they support sex workers and scream “sex work is real work.” But at the end of the day, talk is cheap. They’ll buy your content and stop you from moving up in life.

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This is the most sickening and enraging item that utterly exposes young and old men to be the deeply vile hypocrites they are in their essence. With that pseudo faux naive ‘did I do something wrong absolve me of guilt here’ framing of destroying that girl’s chances.

NAMALT blah blah but honestly I’m beginning to feel like a man hating feminist of old. This world is going in the wrong direction of protecting girl’s and women’s right on speed. And the misogyny is getting more subtle and yet more dangerous under the label of ‘progressivism’ all that time.

The arguments that I’ve had with my DD about how OF and sex work and prostitution is not female empowerment. But that’s the message that she’s hearing over and over again. What all her friend’s agree with. Apparently I’m a ‘Tory’ for suggesting lap dancing is not all about girls being powerful (as explained to her by her male friends). And being a young liberal girl she wants to be supportive of other’s choices. It’s so depressing.

I really dislike the "sex work is work" slogan because I think it conflates two very different arguments:

1. That we should accept sex work exists, avoid criminalising the (often vulnerable) sex workers, and protect and support the workers as far as we can - I agree with this and I think it is the point that OhWhyNot is making

1. That sex work is as good a career choice as any other, not harmful to the workers, and I'd be happy for my daughter to do it - I definitely don't agree with this.

I guess it's similar to the argument for legalising drugs. Most people in favour of that are wanting to avoid criminalising addicts and young drug runners (ie similar to argument 1 above). It's not that they think drugs are brilliant and we should all encourage our kids to use them (similar to argument 2).

[quote PurgatoryOfPotholes]Men will claim they support sex workers and scream “sex work is real work.” But at the end of the day, talk is cheap. They’ll buy your content and stop you from moving up in life.

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What a bastard. Especially the self-serving lie.

• I subscribed to check it out. This further proves my support to women with OF. -

When he told the boss someone with an OF account wasn’t the image the company wanted, he didn’t add that he was somebody who subscribes. Hypocritical shit.

I have not said people don’t care

I have not said that in any way supporting the work is valid as it’s an exchange for cash or that viewing it as valid work supports sex trafficking or the horrendous abuse suffered by many

For years it’s was ignored not spoken about women looked down on as being not worthy. It’s women working within the industry that have really made the changes to support their colleagues (yes colleagues many really do look out for one another).

It’s not feminists arguing about the issues of male entitlement and paying for sex that has made the work safer for some women it’s far more to do with those actually doing something to support women not those trying to change others views on the sex industry

Many ex sex workers have worked to make the work safer arguing about male entitlement, feminist writers endless pondering (often seems quite a fetish in itself) of the values of sex work has not made the changes

Are less percentage of men using sex workers there is nothing to suggest they are

Countries that have what we view as often progressive attitudes towards sex and what we value as progress in women’s rights have a thriving sex industry

It’s not going away the work is an exchange for money what that means to a woman’s life differs but all should be safe and protected

I very much doubt he’d be supportive if his sons decided having anal sex with multiple men on a daily basis was a good alternative to whatever prestigious career he’s got in mind for them though

Absolutely

I am disappointed in him but more fool me, I do subscribe to the ‘if I wouldn’t be happy my children doing this why would i happy with other children doing it’ argument

Shouldn't he have a go at it before he waffles on without a care for the impact on the women involved - and the impact on women in general. Maybe he should shadow a 'sex worker' in their trade. And like if he was shadowing a worker in Tesco, and stack a few items on the shelf, he could offer to do the next client. It is just work, right?