Why isn't The Sun all over this?

And that is exactly the justification anti-abortion activists use when they employ the same tactics

Don't you think people should be aware of the facts when having an abortion?

Although this isn't the same is it. It's not standing outside a clinic where girls are going into get their breasts removed or a sleeve of their arm removed to make a sort of penis is it. (Have you seen the long lasting scars and damage that causes btw? It's so shocking.)
No, this is outside a stonewall conference. Unless you're suggesting that the education professionals were popping into the conference for surgery?

If the images were available on google then they were in the public domain. Google isn’t searching a private space

Barley
Why the aversion to factual information being presented to adults?

That sort of horrid harassment is the preserve of anti-abortion activists and TRAs

Did the subjects of those photos consent for such intimate and personal photographs to be displayed in public? (the answer is no btw, the images were just ripped off google)

I do think if people are considering this pathway they should be aware of all the facts.

And that is exactly the justification anti-abortion activists use when they employ the same tactics.

Barley
It wasn’t an event for trans children. It was an event about trans children.

From the link above.
“The Stonewall conference, which advertised standard tickets at £216 per person, was aimed at professionals across the education sector. ”

Protesting a conference is hardly the same as harassing people outside a hospital. Besides, as conference protests go, it's not in the league of the "suck my girl dick" placards outside a conference focusing on VAWG.

But then again, in a world where calling someone by their name is literally "frightening language" (give me strength), I suppose that nothing can be seen in proportion.

Maybe she should’ve used some modern youth lingo bantz to make it acceptable to Barley.

Or slapped an Eminem lyric on the placard.

I do think if people are considering this pathway they should be aware of all the facts.

were part of a protest organised by feminists, they bore graphic images of skin removed from the arms and legs of young people and torsos with mastectomy scars. The accompanying text read ‘Transing children is child abuse. Are you part of it

Sounds quite reasonable to me. After all, that kind of damage, particularly on a child's body, is quite abusive. Maybe you haven't seen how women's arms are left after a big sleeve of flesh is taken to make something that is supposed to look like a penis. I found it most upsetting the first time I saw it. Anyone who hasn't got a strong stomach, I would advise not to Google the images of these.

Posie is right with her message 'first do no harm'. Isn't she.

Over a metre tall and with the type of gory content you might expect to see on a modern cigarette packet, there was no way delegates at the Stonewall ‘Children and Young People Conference 2019’ conference could miss the message. The provocative banners were part of a protest organised by feminists, they bore graphic images of skin removed from the arms and legs of young people and torsos with mastectomy scars. The accompanying text read ‘Transing children is child abuse. Are you part of it?’

Which event?

[quote Cismyfatarse]@barleybadminton

"But the number of young people actually having treatment is miniscule. Around one in 100,000 annually. A large secondary school would only expect to see a child who is medically transitioning once ever 100 years."

Try my school. Middle sized secondary school (about 750 pupils). We have 4 teenaged girls transitioning, 2 already on hormones and in a "homosexual" relationship as 2 "gay men". Two further who expect to start hormones soon.

3 non binary girls considering hormones but two are on waiting lists already.

One male trans teenager who has yet to decide to go on hormones but is also considering it. On a waiting list but about to leave at 18 so will go onto adult gender clinic.

So, I make that 8. Or just under 1 in every 100 pupils. In a single school.

My own kids had 2 at their school (a tiny secondary school with only 100 pupils - so 1 in 50).

It is EVERYWHERE in schools. [/quote]
Well given in the recent GIDS case the number of referrals to puberty blockers in the most recent year was 141 then this school must be exceptional.

Where and when did this incident happen? And there is no such thing as trans children by the way, just children.

Sentiment on the ground of what, the Owen-Jones-reading yoga classes of Brighton?

I speak to a lot of women in various aspects of my work - from upper middle to working class - and it's generally the heterosexual middle class women who have not much idea about this and are oblivious to most of it. LB women most definitely have an opinion, and most of them aren't very happy about it once you get beyond the middle class young ones who are all super-libfem. The women most likely to be in support of it all are young or very insulated middle class women. Definitely not working class women who are not at all impressed.

You must be in a very specific kind of community if all the lesbians you know are pro-TQ. Interestingly I know a fair few Tory-voting lesbians (and gay men!), though I'm not a Tory voter myself (not all LGBT people are left wing you know, especially in the working and upper middle classes!) and they are all pretty scathing about it all.

As for working class women, and older women, I've heard a lot of rather straight-talking stuff about all of this which has no truck with any of the TQ pieties at all.

Gender critical activists are not protesting outside cosmetic surgeons with pictures of surgeries gone wrong

@barleybadminton too bloody right we're not. That sort of horrid harassment is the preserve of anti-abortion activists and TRAs. You'll not find any of us nailing dead rodents to doors.

No, we'll stick to ethical ways of achieving change.

Today 17:23 barleybadminton

I just love this post so much.

For anyone else not bothered to click the link:

A five aside football league in Hackney for women (and NB women) has been cancelled because people with a penis want to play against or with women. The FA are "dangerous" because they won't use pronouns.

Dangerous. Literal violence I tell you.

I see barley's now an expert in women's breast surgery / cosmetic surgery / double mastectomies plus national and international data on cancer risks from cosmetic surgery. Amazing to have such an expert posting on here

@barleybadminton

"But the number of young people actually having treatment is miniscule. Around one in 100,000 annually. A large secondary school would only expect to see a child who is medically transitioning once ever 100 years."

Try my school. Middle sized secondary school (about 750 pupils). We have 4 teenaged girls transitioning, 2 already on hormones and in a "homosexual" relationship as 2 "gay men". Two further who expect to start hormones soon.

3 non binary girls considering hormones but two are on waiting lists already.

One male trans teenager who has yet to decide to go on hormones but is also considering it. On a waiting list but about to leave at 18 so will go onto adult gender clinic.

So, I make that 8. Or just under 1 in every 100 pupils. In a single school.

My own kids had 2 at their school (a tiny secondary school with only 100 pupils - so 1 in 50).

It is EVERYWHERE in schools.

Why is it TRA never use the proper word? “top surgery” is such a wishy washy mealy mouthed twee euphemism. It’s a mastectomy - if you believe that there’s nowt wrong with loping off healthy breasts, why won’t you use the word?

The LONG TERM HEALTH consequences to the individual of Top surgery aren't comparable to breast implants or lip filler.

I mean, they're both pretty horrendous but bloody hell they're really not the same.

A prominent trans man (who upon gaining their GRC seemed to celebrate by immediately trying for a baby. Such an odd thing to do if you reject all that is feminine) has recently shared how aggrieved they are at being unable to breastfeed their newborn. And blamed cis society for not making this downside more explicit to them pre transition.

This from an adult individual apparently able to make such life changing decisions who is also keen for much younger people to be able to do the same.