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Sarah Ditum reviews Grace Lavery’s book

158 replies

SpiderVersed · 07/02/2022 10:37

She’s got a point, the pun in the title is very good. But otherwise Lavery is saying the quiet part out loud.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d95d9e92-85e7-11ec-b939-57ea9f594ba1?shareToken=8d58838e7b97ce21a4181d7bff0f91df

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JustSpeculation · 07/02/2022 20:31

I failed Eng Lit A-level. Can someone explain the literary pun in the title?

TheWeeDonkey · 07/02/2022 19:29

There was an interview with GL on Heterodorx but I had to switch off after 10 minutes. Livery comes across as not a genuine person, the kind who enjoys courting controversy and offending people for fun. (Being generous with my words here) Not the kind of person I would waste my time or energy on.

heathspeedwell · 07/02/2022 19:16

I now understand why Seven is so very keen to prevent women from doing more research about Lavery on other sites.

Reading Lavery's own words is concerning to say the least. Thank goodness there are sites that meticulously back up everything that certain people say on social media.

BraveBananaBadge · 07/02/2022 19:16

Ah surely not, Domesticated. Grace is offended and distressed anyone would do such a thing! Everyone fall back! Grace is offended and distressed!!

As pp said above, vile is the best word for this person

Cailleach1 · 07/02/2022 18:55

Anthropomorphising a penis now. Men and their bits, huh? Vile to be coopting women's experiences though - and in such an ugly, insensitive way.

DomesticatedZombie · 07/02/2022 18:36

@TheCurrywurstPrion

Seems Lavery is annoyed because Sarah Ditum used the word abortion.

Ironic that Lavery considers this to be insulting to the limp dick, and is at the same time revealing a man-deep ignorance of women’s bodies, including spontaneous abortion, which is another name for miscarriage.

Although I would bet £50 that Lavery knows exactly what effect this phrase will have on women, and am not surprised this is the phrase Lavery is singling out to repeat and share on social media.
DomesticatedZombie · 07/02/2022 18:33

@TheCurrywurstPrion

Seems Lavery is annoyed because Sarah Ditum used the word abortion.

Ironic that Lavery considers this to be insulting to the limp dick, and is at the same time revealing a man-deep ignorance of women’s bodies, including spontaneous abortion, which is another name for miscarriage.

Quite. Lavery has no idea what Lavery is fucking talking about.
BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 07/02/2022 18:22

i'll tell you what, Lavery looks quite different in the picture the Times chose to the ones Lavery posts of Laveryself on social media

crikey

the book sounds dire

Scraggythang · 07/02/2022 18:14

@DomesticatedZombie it’s very hard to tell these days. It’s been a confusing few years.

Everything’s an illusion except the hatred of natal women.

TheCurrywurstPrion · 07/02/2022 18:14

Seems Lavery is annoyed because Sarah Ditum used the word abortion.

Ironic that Lavery considers this to be insulting to the limp dick, and is at the same time revealing a man-deep ignorance of women’s bodies, including spontaneous abortion, which is another name for miscarriage.

Sarah Ditum reviews Grace Lavery’s book
MadameKali · 07/02/2022 18:11

Thank you @Clymene, worked a treat

On another note, why do some visitors here think we are some hive mind who all think the same and agree with all the views of some other boards that we might visit? I don't even agree with my husband on everything and I choose to spend my life with him not just several hours a couple of mins a day on an internet forum. I've never 100% agreed with anyone on anything. Weird

Clymene · 07/02/2022 18:06

@DomesticatedZombie

Clymene Flowers. I'm sorry, and to any other women affected by such a puerile attempt to garner shock and outrage/deliberately malicious attack on women.
Thank you. Smile I'm lucky that I went on to have beautiful children but it was a horrific and shocking experience.

I'm so angry that this repugnant individual is teaching young women.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 07/02/2022 18:03

@FebruaryRainandSleet

Do you read Mumsnet FWR because you agree with it, then, Seven?
Grin
DomesticatedZombie · 07/02/2022 17:59

Left wing?! Reddit? Wow. I have been misinformed.

Scraggythang · 07/02/2022 17:58

@DomesticatedZombie I mean… I can’t possibly recommend it… it’s very left wing coughmisogynisticcough not in line with our facist sensibilities.

DomesticatedZombie · 07/02/2022 17:55

Clymene Flowers. I'm sorry, and to any other women affected by such a puerile attempt to garner shock and outrage/deliberately malicious attack on women.

DomesticatedZombie · 07/02/2022 17:54

@Scraggythang

Do I agree with every single poster on that fruit farm? God no. Do I agree with everyone on mumsnet? Nah! But I do like facts and archived receipts. I’m also on Reddit, that’s a f*king cesspit, but I still frequent plenty of subs. ESPECIALLY the ones I don’t agree with. It’s very interesting. Looks like you do the same @SevenWaystoLeave*
Women are allowed on Reddit, now? Holy moly.
DomesticatedZombie · 07/02/2022 17:53

Here on this thread we have SevenWaysToLeave on Mumsnet admitting they also hang out on the Sex and Gender Discussion site which openly celebrates female push back against males seeking to erode women's rights. This peels back a mask on SevenWaysToLeave who must be a Terfy McTerf because she reads and posts on this board. That automatically means she believes and agrees with everything said on here, and wants to kill all transpeople.

Shock
Scraggythang · 07/02/2022 17:52

Do I agree with every single poster on that fruit farm? God no. Do I agree with everyone on mumsnet? Nah! But I do like facts and archived receipts. I’m also on Reddit, that’s a fking cesspit, but I still frequent plenty of subs. ESPECIALLY the ones I don’t agree with. It’s very interesting. Looks like you do the same @SevenWaystoLeave

Doubletoilandtrouble · 07/02/2022 17:38

Sigh. Are we talking about another idiot who thinks that we cannot think for ourselves? This is getting tired.

I know many people live in little bubbles where they get all their information from social media feeds. Then they suddenly discover that there is a thing called algorithm and feel really clever that they have realised that their social media feed not is impartial. Good for them.

The women here read news papers (right and left), research studies and (of course) social media. We are not as ignorant as our frequent flyers.

Clymene · 07/02/2022 17:38

@MadameKali

I couldn't get the share token to work (boo, but thank you anyway *@SpiderVersed*) It didn't look like the article was there but when I searched for Sarah Ditum I found it but wasn't allowed to read it - anyone else having difficulty?
I've archived it - hope this works!

archive.fo/2022.02.07-173513/www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d95d9e92-85e7-11ec-b939-57ea9f594ba1?shareToken=f770482c1fa4c7e028d13e647dc95efa

BettyFilous · 07/02/2022 17:36

Thanks seven for reminding me about the antipodean fruit farmers. Quite the bracing read but it seems they enjoyed Sarah’s book review too. Honestly, they are 1000x less kind than FWR. You really shouldn’t be wasting your time here.

LilithOfEden · 07/02/2022 17:34

I mean, where's the logic? Do you think the women who post here just believe and agree with anything they read on other sites? You don't have much faith in women's intelligence, do you? Take it to the logical conclusion:

Here on this thread we have SevenWaysToLeave on Mumsnet admitting they also hang out on the Sex and Gender Discussion site which openly celebrates female push back against males seeking to erode women's rights. This peels back a mask on SevenWaysToLeave who must be a Terfy McTerf because she reads and posts on this board. That automatically means she believes and agrees with everything said on here, and wants to kill all transpeople.

MadameKali · 07/02/2022 17:32

I couldn't get the share token to work (boo, but thank you anyway @SpiderVersed) It didn't look like the article was there but when I searched for Sarah Ditum I found it but wasn't allowed to read it - anyone else having difficulty?

Doubletoilandtrouble · 07/02/2022 17:29

Far right sites? What? I have no idea where people hang out but that sounds unpleasant.

However, I am quite sad that the coverage of sex based violence (rape of women in prisons), transwomen smashing records of biological women and the rape (sodomy) of the poor girl in the toilet (by a male-born, wearing a skirt) was all hushed down by traditional left wing media. Unfortunately, those things only seem to be covered by traditional right wing media. Is that what is referred to?

I think we all need to read widely to figure out what’s going on.